Canadian retail chain pulls plastic water bottles

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TORONTO (Reuters) - Canada's largest outdoor-goods chain has pulled water bottles and food containers made of polycarbonate plastic from its shelves over worries about the chemical bisphenol A, which has been linked to cancer and reproductive problems in animals.

Vancouver-based Mountain Equipment Co-op became the first major Canadian retailer to stop selling products that contain bisphenol A over fears the chemical can leach from plastic food and water containers.

"Inconclusive science and regulatory uncertainty presently surrounds bisphenol-A (BPA)," the company said in a statement.

"For these reasons, MEC has stopped selling polycarbonate water bottles and food containers until guidance is provided by the Government of Canada on the health risks posed by BPA."

The Canadian co-operative joins U.S.-based Patagonia in dropping the products because of health concerns.

The chemical, which can mimic the effects of the hormone estrogen in cells, has been surrounded by controversy. Some North American researchers and environmentalists have shown it can cause several types of cancer as well as developmental, neural, behavioral and reproductive harm in animals.

Industry says the products are not dangerous, citing studies from government agencies such as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration that food and beverage containers manufactured from polycarbonate do not pose a health risk to humans.

"Rarely has a chemical been the subject of such intense scientific testing and scrutiny, and still, important agencies across the globe agree that there is no danger posed to humans from polycarbonate bottles," said Tom Cummins, spokesman for Nalgene and Nunc Brand Products, which manufacturers the popular Nalgene polycarbonate water bottles.

Besides hard-plastic water bottles, bisphenol A is also used in some baby bottles and the linings of some food cans, including most major brands of infant formula, according to a study co-released this week by Environmental Defence Canada and the Washington-based Environmental Working Group.

"We have study after study showing that this chemical is toxic,... and there are safe and available alternatives that are affordable," said Aaron Freeman, policy director of Environmental Defence Canada.

Canada's health department declined to comment before it releases preliminary results of a review of the chemical's effects next spring.

"We are looking at as much research as we can to make a very science-based assessment," said Joey Rathwell, a spokeswoman for Health Canada.

Norway and the European Union are also reviewing the product. Japanese manufacturers decided voluntarily to stop making products using polycarbonate plastic five to six years ago.

(Reporting by Claire Sibonney; editing by Janet Guttsman)
 
Wow Nalgene must be besides themselves losing their MEC sales. That is like losing REI; millions lost. I stopped using their bottles a few years ago just by chance.
Bill
 
I heard about this earlier this morning while getting off work. If MEC has decided to do this, I'm inclined to follow their lead and stop using my Nalgene bottles until further tests are done.:(
 
I am more concerned with my son's plastic sippy cups. I am sure they are made of the same or even less quality plastic.
:confused:

I like metal better any way.
 
If bisphenol A is a problem it is probably going to take more than abandoning Nalgenes to make much of a difference. BPA is ubiquitous in todays world: bottled water, cars, packaging, plastic cups, electronics, canned food (the liners). It really is everywhere. And it is not just this one substance--there's are many other estrogenic substances floating artound out there. Last year, when I was a grad student, one of the labs in the department was looking at BPAs effect on reproduction. If I remember right they did manage to find an effect, but they had to use very large doses (not the kind you'd be exposed to in the course of daily life). I really hope the worries are unfounded because it is going to be a real pain getting rid of PBA and other such chemicals.
 
What about p.v.c. (poly vinyl chloride)pipe? really nasty stuff, but most newer houses,if not all, and mobile homes use this for water pipes.
 
What about p.v.c. (poly vinyl chloride)pipe? really nasty stuff, but most newer houses,if not all, and mobile homes use this for water pipes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the PVC is used for drainage, they use PEX pipe made of polyethylene for running watter.
 
It's already been said, but...wow, MEC pulling the product from shelves has got to be a huge loss.


There is a 'potable' grade of PVC but (at least around here) pex is standard with copper here and there.

ABS is typically used for plumbing drains and pvc for (landscape) drainage
 
Sounds like more hysteria !! Unfortunately this world now is run by hysteria.The global warming BS, this could be THE BIG - flood ,earthquake, fire ,etc. But we actually live in a very chemical world today and that one is only one of 8 million new chemicals invented since 1965, 70,000 are used regularly !! [American Chemical Society figures ]
 
Carpet, computers, wood finishes, food packages, dishes, the list goes on. There's no really getting away from plastics, short of living like a caveman. It's not like this is a new thing, either. The average Westerner has been almost literally wrapped in plastics for decades, and generally have a good record of safe use. I suspect a vendor like MEC can't afford any negative publicity with such products when it comes to their core customers, regardless of any real or perceived health concern.
 
I tend to view it as just more hysteria-driven decision making. There is no doubt that BPA has negative effects on living things. The real question is just how much you get from drinking water that was in a Nalgene. To get a lot of unreacted BPA available for leaching from the plastic means that the reaction was not completed efficiently. It is in the economic interest of the plastics manufacturers to get the most out of their reagents, and they do everything they can to maximize yields. What little unreacted BPA is left would probably not leach out in any significant amount. That may change if the bottle is left to cook in the sun for a while, but under normal use I wouldn't be overly concerned.

Think of it this way - if you really knew what was around you, and you subscribed to the hype that drives most of the world, you would just give up in despair. For example, the soil all around the Bay Area has arsenic levels above the MCL for waste sites. When was the last time you heard anyone complaining about this? This arsenic is in a very insoluble form and generally is nothing to worry about. But you only hear people raising a big fuss over perceived problems if they are man-made.

The list goes on and on. Radon, cigarette smoke, gasoline spilled on your hands. We have a lot of things in our environment that are larger risks.
 
All the more Nalgenes for me. I'll bet that this is just more fashionable science scare stuff.
 
The way I see it is...If a company set to make Millions of Dollars on the sale of a product...PULLS IT..than there is a problem with said product. Now I realise that Nalgene didn't pull it, thier distributor did. Nalgene is this plastic...so if they said that it was bad, then they would be bancrupt at that very moment...they are going to be anyway... I believe that most of the things that we use in modern life are not natural, and therefore, BAD.
 
Well, it probably is more hype than real harm, but if I can lessen the risks in my surroundings I try to do my best. As a professional firefighter I'm exposed to nasty shit on a pretty regular basis. So much so that new cancers are being put onto a list of job-related killers at an alarming rate. As result, I try to control the things I can control. I really hope these claims are disproven after some more complete tests.
 
Who among us haven't drank water from plastic bottles over the years ? Ever notice a plastic taste ? I have .

My Aunt would make lunch for us during the fall harvest on the farm. One day for some reason she put our drinking water in an empty bleach bottle ... talk about leaching.

Something is gonna kill us but I'd rather it be old age rather than some type of preventable cancer . Just yesterday the newscast said that 1 out of 2 men will get cancer and 1 out of 3 women will get cancer.
 
^ bleach bottles are not meant for food (water) use though.....what i mean is there is lots of bottles out there that have SIMILAR compounds as food grade bottles, but are different and should'nt be used for water.

besides...the only elaching that occirs is when boiling liquids are put inside the bottles ....MEC has been a bit hasty me thinks.
 
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