Canadian retail chain pulls plastic water bottles

Check out Fall Creek Suttlery. They sell real canteens, made out of tin, copper, etc. My buddy has one and they are pretty nice. Not some cheap POS plastic. My buddy is not in the pepsi generation, for sure.
 
rick43t3 said:
Check out Fall Creek Suttlery. They sell real canteens, made out of tin, copper, etc. My buddy has one and they are pretty nice. Not some cheap POS plastic. My buddy is not in the pepsi generation, for sure.
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Tinned steel is the old tech. Works as long as the tin layer is intact.

Never used copper for a canteen, but copper cooking pots adn pans are tinned 'cause the copper imparts a bad taste to food.
 
mete said:
Stainless steels [and others too] have become a bit nebulous ! Food stainless was originally 304 and similar [also called 18-8, 18-10 ] .But then they have played with the standard alloys of the 200 series but now some weird 200 series alloys have been coming out of China and India !! In addition the corrosion resistance of stainless steel is due in great part to the oxide layer on the surface. There should be a "passivation" treatment to increase this oxide layer.I have no idea how often that's done.
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On the bottom of the Guyot stainless steel bottles, it says: 18/10 surgical grade stainless ethically manufactured in china.

Doc
 
The US FDA, the European Food Safety Authority, and the Japanese food safety agency have all recently reviewed the issue of BPA extractions from food packaging materials and human health. All three have determined that the doses you are likely to receive are FAR below any levels that will cause problems.
 
The European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) has today announced its opinion on dietary exposure to the chemical bisphenol A (BPA). People are exposed to BPA in food through its use in certain plastic and other materials that are used in products such as bottles and cans. EFSA’s scientific AFC Panel[1], has concluded that the setting of a full rather than a temporary Tolerable Daily Intake (TDI) is now appropriate, following an extensive review, including all available new data from the last five years. People’s dietary exposure to BPA, including that of infants and children, is estimated to be well below the new TDI.
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On the other paw:

In an unusual effort targeting a single chemical, several dozen
scientists on Thursday issued a strongly worded consensus statement
warning that an estrogen-like compound in plastic is likely to be
causing an array of serious reproductive disorders in people.

The compound, bisphenol A or BPA, is one of the highest-volume
chemicals in the world and has found its way into the bodies of most
human beings.

Used to make hard plastic, BPA can seep from beverage containers
and other materials. It is used in all polycarbonate plastic baby
bottles, as well as other rigid plastic items, including large water
cooler containers, sports bottles and microwave oven dishes, along
with canned food liners and some dental sealants for children.

The scientists - including four from federal health agencies -
reviewed about 700 studies before concluding that people are exposed
to levels of the chemical exceeding those that harm lab animals.
Infants and fetuses are most vulnerable, they said.

The statement, published online by the journal Reproductive
Toxicology, was accompanied by a new study by researchers from the
National Institutes of Health finding uterine damage in newborn
animals exposed to BPA. That damage is a possible predictor of
reproductive diseases in women, including fibroids, endometriosis,
cystic ovaries and cancers. It is the first time BPA has been linked
to female reproductive tract disorders, although earlier studies have
found early-stage prostate and breast cancer and decreased sperm
counts in animals exposed to low doses.

The scientists' statement and new study - along with five
accompanying scientific reviews that summarize the 700 studies -
intensify a highly contentious debate over whether the plastic
compound poses a public threat. So far no governmental agency here or
abroad has restricted its use.

Representatives of the plastics industry on Thursday lambasted
the scientists as alarmist and biased, and said they based their
conclusions on inconsistent and uncertain science.

"Considering many of these people have made their views known in
the past, is there any surprise? Is there really anything new?" said
Steve Hentges of the American Chemistry Council's polycarbonate/BPA group.

Hentges said the scientists who signed the consensus statement
were self-selected, leaving out many experts, and that many have
conflicts of interest because they have either studied BPA and
reported effects or "have already taken a very clear advocacy position.

"They are completely at odds with the findings of every
governmental scientific body that has reviewed the same science," he said.

Two government scientific committees in Europe and Japan
recently decided there is insufficient evidence to restrict the
compound. Europe's food safety agency decided in January that the
data were inconclusive, largely because of metabolic differences
between mice and humans, and because it is uncertain the amounts
people are exposed to pose a human health threat.
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I've done a little more research since this topic started.

My opinion is unchanged from my initial reaction. This is yet another media-spawned "scare" with little or no substance. I have no need to convince anyone else, but I didn't stop using my Nalgenes, nor am I concerned about them now.
 
rhino said:
I've done a little more research since this topic started.

My opinion is unchanged from my initial reaction. This is yet another media-spawned "scare" with little or no substance. I have no need to convince anyone else, but I didn't stop using my Nalgenes, nor am I concerned about them now.
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The question is what would make you stop? I mean seriously many things we do cause cancer and we still do them. I think its Darwin in action, bring it on.

Skam
 
skammer said:
The question is what would make you stop? I mean seriously many things we do cause cancer and we still do them. I think its Darwin in action, bring it on.

Skam
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Well, if someone could demonstrate both:

o accute toxicity or carcinogenic properties in humans
o that the dose from using polycarbonate bottles was significant based on results in human trials

I would consider stopping.

You're right about sources of carcinogens. Nearly every fruit or vegetable (even "organic") is going to some natural carcinogens in trace amounts. No one worries because they're "natural" and Katie Couric hasn't scared them yet. :D
 
We may have the "Boy that cried wolf" factor at work here.

What was the moral of the story? NOT that the boy cried "wolf" over and over when there was no wolf. Kids (and TV anchors) see monsters in shadows. The moral of the story was that the adults were so hardened by false alarms that they ignored the boy's alarms and the sheep got eaten.

So tobacco does not equal BPA, and neither does aluminum or Alar. It's a risk -- or not -- on its own merits/demerits.

What I truly don't get is why would anyone run even a tiny risk when the burden of avoidance is so slight. As in, the U.S. manufacturer says to wash Lexan by hand. Even most of the finger-pointers say its the strong detergents and high water temps that cause leeching of BPA.
 
Thomas Linton said:
We may .

So tobacco does not equal BPA, and neither does aluminum or Alar. It's a risk -- or not -- on its own merits/demerits.

What I truly don't get is why would anyone run even a tiny risk when the burden of avoidance is so slight. As in, the U.S. manufacturer says to wash Lexan by hand. Even most of the finger-pointers say its the strong detergents and high water temps that cau.se leeching of BPA.
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My point exactly. I quit smoking years ago. Went back to cast iron instead of teflon and am now very much considering ditching the microwave as its too tempting to throw in plastics of every chemical type there is for a quick heat up. I propably wont just switch to glass and ceramics.

Its a good thing BPA doesnt give you a buz in the moring with your coffee or it would become one of the food groups.

Skam
 
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