Can't believe I'm saying this, but Schrade.........

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o4tg

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Just put out a bunch of good looking knives, and they aren't even knock offs that I can tell. Holy crap. Most of them are 9CR18MOV or AUS8 too, with G10 and blackwash. Saw them on BladeHQ and they have some decent looking new folders and fixed blades.

As an aside, how weird is it that Taylor Brands are using 9CR, yet Kershaw is starting to use 3CR. Never though I'd see that.
 
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Kershaw only uses the 3cr on the very cheap stuff they make for the knife gift packs, etc for stores where people are more likely to buy a knife and throw it away when it needs to be sharpened. They don't use the 3cr in their normal production lineup.
 
Bob6794 said:
Kershaw only uses the 3cr on the very cheap stuff they make for the knife gift packs, etc for stores where people are more likely to buy a knife and throw it away when it needs to be sharpened. They don't use the 3cr in their normal production lineup.
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Did you see their China lineup? There's a couple there with 3Cr. Strikes me as odd also, I thought 8cr was budget enough.
 
Bob6794 said:
Kershaw only uses the 3cr on the very cheap stuff they make for the knife gift packs, etc for stores where people are more likely to buy a knife and throw it away when it needs to be sharpened. They don't use the 3cr in their normal production lineup.
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Check out their 2014 line up. They have quite a few 3CR blades coming out that aren't Walmart crap packs.
 
I just can't believe GERBER is coming out with some serious, no BS knives in s30v. I could care less if they are still tactical; they're going in the right direction.
 
Quite a few of their (schrade's) new designs this year are stolen or extremely similar to other knife designs. Please don't give these crooks your money
 
Scurvy092 said:
It's the starter series only. The street price on them will be under 20 bucks.
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Yes, but for the money KAI wants for a 3CR (not even 3CR13MOV so it's even less than 420J2), I'd rather have 9CR. Heck, I think I'd almost take aluminum over 3CR, LOL.
 
seelow123 said:
Quite a few of their (schrade's) new designs this year are stolen or extremely similar to other knife designs. Please don't give these crooks your money
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Can you elaborate? I thought some of their new designs (that I saw on BladeHQ) looked pretty innovative, but I'm guessing that's because I don't know who they were copying. Would be interested to learn.
 
mazibuko said:
Can you elaborate? I thought some of their new designs (that I saw on BladeHQ) looked pretty innovative, but I'm guessing that's because I don't know who they were copying. Would be interested to learn.
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First knife is a Sal Manaro/Boker Bullseye ripoff.
Second is very Crusader Forge-esque.

There's a bunch of other knives of theirs that are either direct ripoffs or very similar to other knives.
The SCH401L is a copy of a Boker Plus Anti-Grav.
The SCH203T is a ZT 0400 copy.
The SCH F2SM is a copy of a Chris Reeve Integral Fixed blade (can't remember the model)
The SCHF3 copies The handle design from Chris Reeves fixed blade like the Green Beret and Pacific

Those are just the ones I knew were copies of other knives. There are countless others that I couldn't put my finger on.
 
I don't disagree with any of the copy remarks however, let's be honest...the people buying these knives aren't going to be the type wondering to themselves whether or not they're buying a copy.
 
If a knife is to be tossed when it goes blunt, all the more reason to put a little bit of decent steel in there somewhere, or even nitride it, to extend the life.
 
mtangent said:
If a knife is to be tossed when it goes blunt, all the more reason to put a little bit of decent steel in there somewhere, or even nitride it, to extend the life.
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Ti-Ni (when actually done to extend edge retention) never really panned out to be as good as was promoted.
 
Schrade may have improved the materials used, but we still don't know about the build quality - they're also all tip-down only, and all of the ones I would have otherwise considered are assisted.

So, the remain mentally lumped in with the likes of Smith and Wesson, Frost, and Boker Magnum.
 
seelow123 said:
Those are just the ones I knew were copies of other knives. There are countless others that I couldn't put my finger on.
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Thanks for pointing all those out. I hadn't seen some of those, they're pretty extreme. The Manaro/Boker and ZT0400 are particularly bad. Not actually sure how they can get away with that. Thanks for educating me!
 
seelow123 said:
[video=youtube;eruE5Uka5Pw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eruE5Uka5Pw[/video]

First knife is a Sal Manaro/Boker Bullseye ripoff.
Second is very Crusader Forge-esque.

There's a bunch of other knives of theirs that are either direct ripoffs or very similar to other knives.
The SCH401L is a copy of a Boker Plus Anti-Grav.
The SCH203T is a ZT 0400 copy.
The SCH F2SM is a copy of a Chris Reeve Integral Fixed blade (can't remember the model)
The SCHF3 copies The handle design from Chris Reeves fixed blade like the Green Beret and Pacific

Those are just the ones I knew were copies of other knives. There are countless others that I couldn't put my finger on.
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The Boker is a Chinese sourced knife, made in the same factory. Boker has multiple knives that are shared with other brands because they are in fact relabels. Finding Chinese knives and selling them for twice as much with their logo on it is a big part of Boker's business model.

Truth be told, I have no issue with Boker being ripped off. They've ripped off even more knives than Schrade has. Schrade also has a knock off of the Boker Orca by the way.

And I thought that hollow handled one was actually designed by a member here (as was another of theirs).

Not trying to justify it or anything, as I likely have no room in my collection for them. I was just amazed that they have some decent material (Chinese) knives coming out.
 
Thomas here. Sorry don't really post here anymore, but wanted to chime in.

o4tg said:
Just put out a bunch of good looking knives, and they aren't even knock offs that I can tell. Holy crap.
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o4tg said:
Not trying to justify it or anything, as I likely have no room in my collection for them.
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Well heck, there's a complete turnaround attitude :) LOL Starting a thread and ending it with completely different perspectives.


As an aside, how weird is it that Taylor Brands are using 9CR, yet Kershaw is starting to use 3CR. Never though I'd see that.
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I feel this is a bit of an unfair statement, as Scurvy mentioned we do use 3CR on the new Starter series and some promotional opportunities. Let's please not make it sound more than it is.

Stays Sharp said:
Did you see their China lineup? There's a couple there with 3Cr. Strikes me as odd also, I thought 8cr was budget enough.
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o4tg said:
Check out their 2014 line up. They have quite a few 3CR blades coming out that aren't Walmart crap packs.
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Crap packs...interesting. It's important to remember who we are as a manufacturer, and the internal goals we strive for. We've mentioned many times that we are a manufacturer that desires to have offerings for everyone. I'd say today, we are the only brand(s) that can service entry level, opening price point crap (your words), to an ultra premium output, and everywher in between. We do it all.

You want to criticize when you should be applauding. We're trying to expand the industry via the mass retailers in this country, and the product is just not good enough for you personally. So it's crap?

Perhaps a little understanding is needed here. Not every knife we put out is going to be for you 04tg, but to go out of your way to call out those that are not for you is pretty crappy in itself. JMO.
I was just amazed that they have some decent material (Chinese) knives coming out.
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I've noticed you've been a big voice around here with regard to who makes what where in China, and have some understanding of these China factories strengths and weaknesses. Could you elaborate on where you draw your knowledge on this subject from? Appreciate.
 
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