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Can't believe I'm saying this, but Schrade.........

rsngfrce said:
I apologize for my ignorance... though, based on your condescending and unrequested response, I would personally say something else went out of business almost a decade ago, assuming it ever existed in the first place...
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What are you going on about?
 
I think it is remarkable that an official representative of a major company (that no longer has a presence on this forum) felt the need to enter a thread that isn't about his/her employers, attack a poster for a colloquial statement, and then demand respect from the rest of those on the thread.
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First, I do not work for KAI. The above comment is made by a non-paying user of this site, who disregards the daily cost of doing business, while consuming the same product and resources, they did not help build nor support.

I will no longer respond to, sell to, trade with, or any member, that feels stealing is acceptable.

BB from KAI, regardless of intent, could have shared a lot of information. Information that we all could have used.
Now that opportunity is gone, and I do not blame him at all. I am asking all members here, to PM bb and relay your thoughts as to how he was treated. I own over 300 KAI products. And over 200 Schrade products, all USA made. Including 3 full sets of the Indian Bead Sheath Collections / all with the extra Lance knife, not part thereof, but made for Montgomery Wade. I feel that set is as nice as any. Thank you Mr. REVDEVIL for stepping in,, that one was deserved, of course none of mine are . HA HA !

P.S. how insulting is it that some forum members think a walmart knife is a pos, or worthless ? Not everyone needs a special high priced knife. Are they pos/worthless because you don't drive a Lexus and live at "The Club" ?
 
Wasn't Thomas from Kai banned from posting on this site? Maybe a different person? Just curious; I didn't follow that subforum.

On topic, the new "Schrade" isn't for me. Purchasing another company's name simply to outsource similar or stolen designs is not legit in my book.
 
I joined this forum when the KAI subforum was still in existence (or at least visited very frequently, I can't remember). In fact, I have made several purchases as a direct result of their involvement within this community. I, for one, am sorry to not have this same interaction directly with the company. I even purchased a made in China Camp 10 knife as a result of discussions in that subforum. The only Chinese made knife I own. I am totally satisfied with the fit and finish of this knife. At the time, the offered price point was very attractive to me as well. I do hope that KAI maintains at least some U.S. made presence with their Kershaw brand. It is such a great name and a great heritage. I would hate to see what are presently U.S. made Kershaws go to oversees manufacturing. I understand having entry level offerings. And I understand using the Kershaw brand to make these offerings. I just do not want to see a day when all Kershaws are made overseas. I own some of the ZT line as well, also a result of the subforum. Probably the best value and most capable knife that I own is a Kershaw Diskin Hunter, proudly made in the U.S.A and at very reasonable price point. Is it Super Steel? No. Is it very serviceable steel? Yes. If this knife were Chinese made, they probably could lower the price point even further. But I would not be a buyer of it.

Some have complained that the KAI forum was biased. Of course it is. They paid for it. But, if you have the ability to discern, you can easily discern truth from bias ramble (from members, not the company). There was a lot of truth spoken there, IMO. I miss you KAI, please consider coming back.
 
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Some have complained that the KAI forum was biased. Of course it is. They paid for it. But, if you have the ability to discern, you can easily discern truth from bias ramble (from members, not the company). There was a lot of truth spoken there, IMO. I miss you KAI, please consider coming back.
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I respect your opinion however a saying comes to mind when I think of the KAI subforum; can't take the heat, get out the kitchen...and they got outta the kitchen.

Professionals should be able to accept criticism no matter how mature or childish it may be. From my experience it seemed every time KAI/Thomas responded to a criticism he viewed it as an 'attack' and responded as such. People are allowed to like / dislike things and IMO a company representative should be able to handle that heat accordingly. Back on topic...

As far as Schrade is concerned, I agree with the others who said they won't support a company who only has a face. (aka name) It doesn't really surprise me that some of their models are nearly direct copies/ripoffs given the fact that their name is basically the only thing remaining. Easy solution for me - don't buy it!
 
fetzer85 said:
I respect your opinion however a saying comes to mind when I think of the KAI subforum; can't take the heat, get out the kitchen...and they got outta the kitchen.

Professionals should be able to accept criticism no matter how mature or childish it may be. From my experience it seemed every time KAI/Thomas responded to a criticism he viewed it as an 'attack' and responded as such. People are allowed to like / dislike things and IMO a company representative should be able to handle that heat accordingly.
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I get your point, and it is valid. I guess I looked pass all of that as it was expected, at least by me. Back on topic, I agree that I would not buy the current Schrade product either, at any price point. However, I do not see how their knife designs are stealing. From whom are they stealing, a company that no longer exists? Where is the intellectual property protecting the design? Patents or Copywrite? If there were patents, they have probably expired. Is it underhanded trying to get some nostalgia buyers? Probably so, but this will soon fade away when those purchasers use the product, IMO. I think that it is a non-issue, and they are likely to fade into the sunset, at least in the U.S. market.
 
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Where is the intellectual property protecting the design? Patents or Copywrite? If there were patents, they have probably expired. Is it underhanded trying to get some nostalgia buyers? Probably so, but this will soon fade away when those purchasers use the product, IMO. I think that it is a non-issue, and they are likely to fade into the sunset, at least in the U.S. market.
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Schrade is sort of in the same boat as Gerber (but way, way worse). Some people vaguely recognize the name and decide it is a good product. For the vast majority of these consumers, they are not going to know or care about the quality of the knife. If it breaks, $15 will replace it.

How good was Schrade back in the day? Camilius had alot of really nice knives, but the only US made Schrade design I'm familiar with was the infamous Cliphanger (ignoring all their old timey designs).
 
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Stay on topic or don't post. Discussion of the Kai forum simply doesn't belong in this thread.
 
I still have some old Schrade (and Gerber) blades in my collection. Love the old knives. Not too sure about quality in the new collection.
 
treeshaker said:
P.S. how insulting is it that some forum members think a walmart knife is a pos, or worthless ? Not everyone needs a special high priced knife. Are they pos/worthless because you don't drive a Lexus and live at "The Club" ?
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Let's say non 3CR knives were Lexus' as you insinuate. A comparitive car to 3CR simply does not exist.

I think it's hilarious that 3CR/420J2 is worthless, but when KAI makes it, suddenly people come out of the wood work to say it's a good budget steel. No, it's not. In addition, this isn't even 3CR13 so it's actually worse than 420J2, it's just 3CR. 3CR13MOV is rated at what, 52HRC? For a dive knife, it has good corrosion resistance. But for a normal knife, it really is too soft to justify when there are other CRMOV's available for just pennies more.
 
jazub said:
Wasn't Thomas from Kai banned from posting on this site? Maybe a different person? Just curious; I didn't follow that subforum.
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Far from it. We regret the forum closing, and Thomas is always welcome here.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
They copy other people's designs. CRK one piece knives most noticeably.
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Ok, but how is this stealing? Unfortunately there are no IP protections for knife designs not covered by patents. Photographs can have copyright protection as do software designers, but no such protection exists (as far as I know) for knife designs outside of patents. You can only get this if you design a purely unique mechanism used in the knife. If they put a CRK logo on the knife, then it would be stealing because there are laws against it. I seriously doubt that a $15 copy of a $400 original CRK design hurts CRK sales one bit.
 
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Ok, but how is this stealing? Unfortunately there are no IP protections for knife designs not covered by patents. Photographs can have copywrite protection as do software designers, but no such protection exists (as far as I know) for knife designs outside of patents. You can only get this if you design a purely unique mechanism used in the knife. If they put a CRK logo on the knife, then it would be stealing because there are laws against it. I seriously doubt that a $15 copy of a $400 original CRK design hurts CRK sales one bit.
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So the Microtech Matrix wasn't stealing? (even if it wasn't in the legal sense)
 
Unethical? Yes. Stealing? No. I suspect that Microtech paid dearly for this with lost market share. Market share that they will never get back. I know that I only own one Microteck knife, and I will never own another.
 
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