Can't seem to find any 1095 oil

I use canola to quench, about 2 yrs ago I got 6 pcs of 1095 and proceded to save some money over 01.
After about 5-6 knives broken in half I said, I don't think i'm saveing
anything.
So I got 1075-80 from admiral, then some 1084, reordered a lot of 0-1 and I am real happy. [IMHO the hell with 1095]
Jerry
 
Why is it called 11 second quench oil? Surely 11 seconds is too slow...

11 seconds is the measure of time it takes some standard form at some temp to reach another temp. It isn't the measure of quench speed you're thinking of. Parks 50 is about a 9 second oil and it is approaching the speed of brine. The 11 second quench oil is marketed as a very fast oil for use on high speed quench steels such as 10XX. It will be borderline for 1095, but what isn't...
 
Nathan, how does the Mcmasters carr 11 second work on 1095? Fast enough?
 
I think this question might have been lost on the previous page. How's the Brownell's Tough Quench on the 1095?

For the warping, what if I pull out after a few seconds (at which point it should have made it past the nose) and then into the vice with light pressure, between two piece of wood or steel?
 
Nathan, how does the Mcmasters carr 11 second work on 1095? Fast enough?

I don't know Dan, I can't say with certainty. I'm fairly certain it is faster and gives a more uniform quench than the concoctions that some folks are using, but is it good enough for 1095, I don't know.

I don't work with 1095. When I need a steel of that analysis I use W1. And I don't make knives of W1, I (usually) use air or oil hardening steels for blades.

I have quenched a file knife into the McMaster 11 second oil and it skated a file just fine, so for the OP, I think it is "good enough", but we all know that a blade will skate a file even with pearlite in the edge, and who knows what Nicholson was using for file steel in 1995. Some folks think it was 1095, but who knows.

I'll subject that knife to my cutting tests and see how it performs compared to known excellent blades, but that still won't really answer the question.
 
Nathan, you have been very patient here and good advice too.:)

The 11 second Mcmaster carr oil will work fine for 1095. Don Fogg and Matt Lamey quench 1095 in Tough Quench with good results and it's a slower oil. Remember we are quenching thin knife blades not large chunks. Think about it folks! That thin edge is going to cool much quicker than a 1" ball.

1095, W1 and W2 are all low in manganese and very shallow hardening. (Best hamon potential here, bonus!) They need a fast quench. Park's 50 is the fastest oil and will give the best results.

1060, 1075, 1080, 1084, 5160, 01, L6 are all high in manganese (deep hardening) and can reach full hardness with a slower quench.

Question for you new guys, why not make up a few blades and start testing?
 
Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I just tested a blade that was quenched in this oil. The blade was an old Nicholson file (cut me some slack folks, I don't freekin use 1095) and subjected to my normal edge test.

This is my own personal knife testing procedure. I compare a blade to other known "good" blades subjected to the same cuts, looking at the edge under bright light and magnification between cuts. It isn't very scientific, but it tells me something about the cutting performance of a knife.

Sharpen at about 13 per side - it generated an appropriate burr and become "tree topping" sharp without much trouble

Cardboard cut, it cut 16 linear feet of cardboard. The cut was constrained to just the belly of the blade. It showed more abrasive wear than my or Bob Dozier's D2 - but it out performed Chris Reeve's S30V and Spiderco's VG10, probably because they are softer (this test blade is probably in the low 60's HRC)

Leather cut, 20 inches of heavy leather, same results as card board

Hardwood whittling (Osage orange). It outperformed every knife in the comparison. This is not unexpected because it is a low alloy, low carbide steel, so I expect it to have good edge stability. Very little edge deformation (pretty much none). This tells me there probably isn't a lot of pearlite in that edge.


I also etched the blade and found no hamon activity.

These evaluations of the McMaster 11 second quench oil tells me it is probably adequate for that particular file. It is also fairly likely that the file is similar to 1095.

I will point out that not all 1095 is equal. Depending upon the particular chemistry of a batch - it is possible, within the specifications of 1095, to have a piece of steel where the nose on the TTT chart goes all the way over and touches the left side of the chart. No matter how fast you quench it you'll get some pearlite. So - YMMV. (and you see why I don't use it - I like W1 for that sort of thing)

Nathan
 
For a new guy working with just hand tools, making up a blade takes a good long time, so I'm trying to get as much information as I possibly can before starting.

Granted, 1095 is a tough starting steel. Had I realized that Park #50 was really expensive and almost completely unavailable, I might have gone another way, but I didn't see any 108X stel available in a 2" width.

As far as testing them out, I still haven't heard a good answer about how best to do that. My best move so far is going to be similar to Nathan's where I sharpen it up alongside a known blade and see how it actually performs. But then if I quench in brine, what if I introduce micro cracks? I'll have great edge performance, but then maybe I'll crack the thing in half when I'm chopping firewood this December.

I don't mean to sound like I'm making excuses for typing instead of making. I just want to get as much solid information as I can at each stage to lower the odds of me screwing up.

Again, thanks to everyone for the great feedback.
 
Nicholson file = W1(2)
Nicholson farrier rasp = 1095
I called and ask the people at Copper tool/Nicholson file what the composition of there file steel was, and they told me that, while the exact composition of there steel for there files was proprietary if as a blacksmith I would treat there files like W1(2), 1095 I should be more than satisfied with the results.

Mcmaster-Carr 11 second oil is good medicine on 1095
 
Thats good to know as I just got some. I will also be testing my knives of 1095 and put them thru some hard abuse. Thanks for the help guys.
 
Nathan, that about the results I would expect from a file knife HTed correctly. Like Mike
said, probably W1/W2. My tests have been very similar but with known W2 coming out on top.
 
Nathan, that about the results I would expect from a file knife HTed correctly. Like Mike
said, probably W1/W2. My tests have been very similar but with known W2 coming out on top.

I've been meaning to get a piece of your W2 to play with.

Tai Goo made me a knife in W2 and I love it. People get so caught up in the new wonder steels they overlook some of the really good old stuff.
 
I've been meaning to get a piece of your W2 to play with.

Tai Goo made me a knife in W2 and I love it. People get so caught up in the new wonder steels they overlook some of the really good old stuff.
Probably some of the W2 I sent Tai :D

Well said Nathan! The new stuff doesn't impress me much...
 
Yes, that was some of your W2 Don. I quenched it in canola oil.

I just finished a 1095 chef's knife for Nathan, also quenched in canola. I'm anxious to see what he thinks of the heat treat on it.
 
Tai, just goes to show, there's more than one way to get-r-done.

I quenched a couple thousand blades made from sawblade steel years ago in olive oil and the feedback on them was great. I went with Park's 50 when searching for the most active hamon.

Guys, testing your results is where it's at!
 
Thanks, Milt. I ended up switching over to 0-1, but I'll definitely check that out soon.

I'm ready for heat treat and am planning on canola oil.
 
I didn't do any cutting tests with Nathan's new chef's knife, and thought it would be fun just to let him test it and see what he thinks. However, from what I could tell just by working on it,... It's in the ball park. I think he’ll like it. I have field tested others though. I’m just packaging it up right now. :)
 
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