"Carl's Lounge" (Off-Topic Discussion, Traditional Knife "Tales & Vignettes")

Exactly!

If a bug that has a 99% survival rate and for most people is no worse than a moderate case of the flue, makes them go nuts over toilet paper, what the hell is going to happen in a real catastrophe? :eek:

I need to buy more ammo.
You guys are braver than I am!!
Does anyone have any idea what infection rate "experts" expect Covid-19 to have?
I read a CDC report that claimed that seasonal influenza infects about 8% of the population on average, but there are vaccines for it. I'm guessing the infection rate for coronavirus is higher, since there's no vaccine.
Let's say the U.S. population is 330 million, and the mortality rate for the virus is the 1% Carl mentioned.
If it infects 1 of 10 people (10% infection rate), that's 33 million cases, and 330000 deaths; only about 80% of the US deaths in WW2, but close to 3 times the number of US fatalities in WW1.
Scary to me; CDC estimates average deaths from influenza over past 9 years at about 37000 per year.

- GT
 
Only time will tell, but 'experts' ( usually those who invade the media for conceit and money) are often wrong. Models implied we were all going to die of AIDS or Ebola, nobody denies these infectious diseases have caused untold suffering but not to the extent that certain pundits almost seemed to be thirsting for....Vaccines for Common Flu are debatable and are based on an optimistic cocktail of previous strains, I wouldn't take one out of choice anyway;)
If we look at the death rates from the Spanish Flu (likely originated in the US) of 1918, it was staggering: more dead than in the whole of World WarI, mainly fitter younger people and the rapidity of death was terrifying. I believe that the death toll in the US alone was higher than all her deaths in both World Wars over 600k and other countries even worse. Due to this, virologists have been predicting another huge pandemic some time or other as an inevitability of the morphing&adaptation of viruses-factor in monstrous population explosion during the past 70 years tripling of global population and it seems certain.

However, not all virologists agree about this strain of Corona. Because it appeared in Wuhan and it seemed novel the Chinese authorities took certain sudden, drastic measures- isolating the city but international travel was not restricted until far later. A kind of snowball effect emerges, because of these measures in China, plus the regime's secrecy mixed with sensationalist exaggeration in some western medias the whole thing takes on a massively serious profile. Other countries become infected due to rapid air-travel etc cases explode. Govts turn to scientific experts -most of whom never really want to admit to hazard guessing etc- is this the Pandemic we've been fearing?? Could be. Govts become excessively nervous of their neighbours and developments there. they're restricting this, they're doing that ergo we need to follow suit. So the same type of imitative copycat reflexes kick in yet govts denounce people for idiotic panic buying, hysteria and short termism when they are doing exactly the same! Meanwhile people find they are sectioned at home, no social activities, economic disruption, shuttered life-never before seen-so it must be serious must be true-what next??:eek: More draconian measures? We don't know and the fact appears to be that 'experts' don't know what this particular strain of Corona will bring us either and this can lead to a situation where rational objective thinking get's abandoned . Add to that all politicians' revulsion for losing face....Finding out infection rates is notoriously difficult, if you test people at hospitals or health centres the infection rates are bound to be high and is the test actually reliable, as many of the allegedly infected seem to have mild to no symptoms that clear up? Therefore either it's widespread among the general pop with few consequences or it's not actually that infectious? Hard to know.

What bothers me most is that globally people have had to overnight submit to this out of fear and due to fear everything gets magnified and yet more edicts and laws become inevitable, the potential for permanent loss of liberty is sobering indeed. In Europe at least, many people live as singles-quite often the elderly too and to expect them to be quarantined is intolerable and impractical. There is another aspect too, the elderly could get stigmatised, scapegoated or expended, ageism seems almost acceptable in some minds. Many elderly people are notably fitter than people decades younger but that seems to be being forgotten, as could other individual aspects or rights...

Only time will tell. But in the meantime, keep in touch with those you care about or who seem to need it, pay scant attention to social media if you want to remain sane&optimistic;) and watch the media with care and scrutiny. :D I'm pretty socially excluded on one level, my friends, family and others are not AT ALL interested in knives so staying indoors with my knives and being in touch with my community of Knife Believers here is no ordeal at all:cool::D
 
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Since I'm retired, I pretty much can shop any time during the day. Here in Ohio, the insanity at the grocery stores started last week with toilet paper being the most popular item. Initially, food was not in short supply/ But then after our Governor started giving new decrees and policies almost daily starting Friday. The food shelves in grocery stores got really close to empty over the weekend. Late Sunday the stores started getting supplies in and tried to keep up with demand. Today, supplies are pretty good with even some toilet paper on the shelves.

You may wonder how I know this. I wanted to get first hand information, so when I had a chance I went to local stores to see for myself how things were going. I saw no people being jerks but several looking very stressed by the lines. That is, until today. There was a guy checking out next to where my wife and I were. He was a foul mouthed jerk that treated one employee like dirt because the employee told him the limits on a certain product.:eek:

I'm not going out any more for awhile. :):D
 
Only time will tell, but 'experts' ( usually those who invade the media for conceit and money) are often wrong. Models implied we were all going to die of AIDS or Ebola, nobody denies these infectious diseases have caused untold suffering but not to the extent that certain pundits almost seemed to be thirsting for....Vaccines for Common Flu are debatable and are based on an optimistic cocktail of previous strains, I wouldn't take one out of choice anyway;)
If we look at the death rates from the Spanish Flu (likely originated in the US) of 1918, it was staggering: more dead than in the whole of World WarI, mainly fitter younger people and the rapidity of death was terrifying. I believe that the death toll in the US alone was higher than all deaths in both World Wars over 600k and other countries even worse. Due to this, virologists have been predicting another huge pandemic some time or other as an inevitability of the morphing&adaptation of viruses-factor in monstrous population explosion during the past 70 years tripling of global population and it seems certain.

However, not all virologists agree about this strain of Corona. Because it appeared in Wuhan and it seemed novel the Chinese authorities took certain sudden, drastic measures- isolating the city but international travel was not restricted until far later. A kind of snowball effect emerges, because of these measures in China, plus the regime's secrecy mixed with sensationalist exaggeration in some western medias the whole thing takes on a massively serious profile. Other countries become infected due to rapid air-travel etc cases explode. Govts turn to scientific experts -most of whom never really want to admit to hazard guessing etc- is this the Pandemic we've been fearing?? Could be. Govts become excessively nervous of their neighbours and developments there. they're restricting this, they're doing that ergo we need to follow suit. So the same type of imitative copycat reflexes kick in yet govts denounce people for idiotic panic buying, hysteria and short termism when they are doing exactly the same! Meanwhile people find they are sectioned at home, no social activities, economic disruption, shuttered life-never before seen-so it must be serious must be true-what next??:eek: More draconian measures? We don't know and the fact appears to be that 'experts' don't know what this particular strain of Corona will bring us either and this can lead to a situation where rational objective thinking get's abandoned . Add to that all politicians' revulsion for losing face....Finding out infection rates is notoriously difficult, if you test people at hospitals or health centres the infection rates are bound to be high and is the test actually reliable, as many of the allegedly infected seem to have mild to no symptoms that clear up? Therefore either it's widespread among the general pop with few consequences or it's not actually that infectious? Hard to know.

What bothers me most is that globally people have had to overnight submit to this out of fear and due to fear everything gets magnified and yet more edicts and laws become inevitable, the potential for permanent loss of liberty is sobering indeed. In Europe at least, many people live as singles-quite often the elderly too and to expect them to be quarantined is intolerable and impractical. There is another aspect too, the elderly could get stigmatised, scapegoated or expended, ageism seems almost acceptable in some minds. Many elderly people are notably fitter than people decades younger but that seems to be being forgotten, as could other individual aspects or rights...

Only time will tell. But in the meantime, keep in touch with those you care about or who seem to need it, pay scant attention to social media if you want to remain sane&optimistic;) and watch the media with care and scrutiny. :D I'm pretty socially excluded on one level, my friends, family and others are not AT ALL interested in knives so staying indoors with my knives and being in touch with my community of Knife Believers here is no ordeal at all:cool::D

This!

The media, that has the sole reason for its existence that is ratings and money from sponsors, will sensationalize for attention and said ratings. Take what you see and hear with a grain of salt. No, make that a teaspoon of salt. I remember the aids scare that we were all gone die because the blood supply was going to be contaminated, and the swine flue scare of the 80's that was serious, but not as bad as predicted. Most people who get the corona virus will not be that ill.

I'm skeptical. Careful but skeptical.
 
You guys are braver than I am!!
Does anyone have any idea what infection rate "experts" expect Covid-19 to have?
I read a CDC report that claimed that seasonal influenza infects about 8% of the population on average, but there are vaccines for it. I'm guessing the infection rate for coronavirus is higher, since there's no vaccine.
Let's say the U.S. population is 330 million, and the mortality rate for the virus is the 1% Carl mentioned.
If it infects 1 of 10 people (10% infection rate), that's 33 million cases, and 330000 deaths; only about 80% of the US deaths in WW2, but close to 3 times the number of US fatalities in WW1.
Scary to me; CDC estimates average deaths from influenza over past 9 years at about 37000 per year.

- GT
As it has been explained to me, the goal is to "flatten the curve." That is: Lots of people are expected to contract Covid-19, but even if the total number of infected people stays the same, slowing the rate of transmission to draw it out over a longer period of time will save lives because the health care system will not be overloaded. Not only people with the virus will be at risk, but everyone else who may need medical care (especially ventilators) for other illnesses and conditions.

Coronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg
 
As it has been explained to me, the goal is to "flatten the curve." That is: Lots of people are expected to contract Covid-19, but even if the total number of infected people stays the same, slowing the rate of transmission to draw it out over a longer period of time will save lives because the health care system will not be overloaded. Not only people with the virus will be at risk, but everyone else who may need medical care (especially ventilators) for other illnesses and conditions.

Coronavirus_flattening_curve_1.jpg
It seems to me the hospital capacity line in that graphic should have an upward slope in it somewhere. Not enough to catch up with the infections, but capacity certainly can be ramped up. Look at China and their modular field hospitals.
 
It seems to me the hospital capacity line in that graphic should have an upward slope in it somewhere. Not enough to catch up with the infections, but capacity certainly can be ramped up. Look at China and their modular field hospitals.
That's a good point. Also, most people who contract it won't require hospitalization. Hopefully, a few weeks of "social distancing" will make enough of a difference and things can get back to normal soon.
 
That's a good point. Also, most people who contract it won't require hospitalization. Hopefully, a few weeks of "social distancing" will make enough of a difference and things can get back to normal soon.
Just now found out I have been sharing a cubicle with someone who has been in contact with a diagnosed case. Both my parents are in their 80s and I was planning on getting their groceries for them, but now I don’t know. Wife is overseas (hopefully not stranded). Oldest daughter has been laid off of her job. Buckle up, ‘cause normal seems like it may be a ways off yet...
 
Just now found out I have been sharing a cubicle with someone who has been in contact with a diagnosed case. Both my parents are in their 80s and I was planning on getting their groceries for them, but now I don’t know. Wife is overseas (hopefully not stranded). Oldest daughter has been laid off of her job. Buckle up, ‘cause normal seems like it may be a ways off yet...
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that.
 
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that.
Thanks. I just got more details on the timeline, and I think the risk is minimal. Still, I also volunteer for Meals-on-Wheels once a week during my lunch break, and I’m paranoid about getting a vulnerable person sick. Anyway that’s shut down for now too. All in all I am optimistic for the best outcome for all of this, but the ride may be a little bumpy along the way.
 
Okay, look here;

Everyone is going nuts over hand sanitizer. A little bottle of Purel gets fought over. Alcohol kills germs, we get that.

Sooooo, the coronavirus gets in your bloodstream and makes you sick. Soooo, if alcohol kills germs, would the jackknife theory of survival take hold. Hypothesis; if everyone got stone drunk for three days, really plastered, zonked, ripped, for 72 hours, would the large amount of booze in the bloodstream kill the virus?

Yeah, yeah I know they are working for a vaccine, but thats months in the future. Will heavy drinking now make a difference, like the old British guys in India with the gin and tonics that held quinine? Those old Brit guys drank like fish and survived in the tropics where others died. Soooo, pass the gin and tonics!

"Show me the way to go home..."
 
...Sooooo, the coronavirus gets in your bloodstream and makes you sick. Soooo, if alcohol kills germs, would the jackknife theory of survival take hold. Hypothesis; if everyone got stone drunk for three days, really plastered, zonked, ripped, for 72 hours, would the large amount of booze in the bloodstream kill the virus?
LOL! :confused:
To answer your question; Yes, if the blood alcohol content could reach 40-60 percent it would begin to kill some germs. Unfortunately a 0.3-0.4 percent blood alcohol content is life threatening to the human body.
Too permanent of a solution to a temporary problem, IMO.
So much for the jackknife theory of survival. Sorry!:(
 
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