"Carl's Lounge" (Off-Topic Discussion, Traditional Knife "Tales & Vignettes")

Woodrow F Call said:
I love Eastwoods movies, but the Wayne movies always have better dialog. Wayne's characters were always more down to earth, and mostly won the day. Eastwood was always and unstoppable super power.
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See, I always saw it kind of the opposite, as in it's not really clear if Eastwood's character actually deserved to win, whereas Wayne (at least until the later movies) didn't have that ambiguity, at least to me. But then again, "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
 
I think the "darkest" character either Eastwood or Wayne played was Ethan Edwards, Wayne's character in The Searchers.
Probably his best work.
 
John Wayne was THE gunfighter and Clint Eastwood was THE gunslinger.

I have the photo somewhere in my junk drawer. My jogie, or grandfather, dressed up like Rooster Cogburn for a contest and won. I've never seen a bigger John Wayne fan. Of course he grew up watching the EARLY Wayne movies at the theater in Reading PA.

Charles Bronson was another good one. White Buffalo, Breakheart Pass, Death Hunt. He had a good many westerns
 
bwperdue said:
See, I always saw it kind of the opposite, as in it's not really clear if Eastwood's character actually deserved to win, whereas Wayne (at least until the later movies) didn't have that ambiguity, at least to me. But then again, "Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
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Deserve didn't have anything to do with it. Clint's characters never were going to lose, they were always superhuman. To me Wayne's roles weren't superhuman, but they had good character.
 
black mamba said:
I think the "darkest" character either Eastwood or Wayne played was Ethan Edwards, Wayne's character in The Searchers.
Probably his best work.
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William munny was kind of dark.... at least when he was hitting the bottle. :)

Ethan Edwards was pretty dark though. I always thought the ending was weird..... Ethan is bent on revenge against anything indian the whole movie except the last 0:45 or something. :D


BTW, for people interested in history of the Indian Wars, Empire of the Summer Moon, is a good book about early Texas history and the Comanche Tribe. Really interesting stuff.
 
Woodrow F Call said:
Deserve didn't have anything to do with it. Clint's characters never were going to lose, they were always superhuman. To me Wayne's roles weren't superhuman, but they had good character.
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This is so true. Clint's characters were almost cartoon super hero with the not losing thing. Yet even the Duke, in all his movies, would get killed here and there. The Sand's Of Iwo Jima, The Cowboys, The shootist, the main characters death was needed to make a point. Good guys don't always win or even live through it. In The Undefeated, he lets himself be blackmailed out of a whole herd of horses to save some innocent hostages. Good guys got beat. As much as I like Eastwood, his westerns were a tad too unreal. Wayne was not afraid to show his character as a flawed person who was far from perfect.

Carl.
 
Woodrow, could you have popped a cap on Natalie Wood the way she looked?

The ending seems ENTIRELY reasonable to me! ;)
 
jackknife said:
This is so true. Clint's characters were almost cartoon super hero with the not losing thing. Yet even the Duke, in all his movies, would get killed here and there. The Sand's Of Iwo Jima, The Cowboys, The shootist, the main characters death was needed to make a point. Good guys don't always win or even live through it. In The Undefeated, he lets himself be blackmailed out of a whole herd of horses to save some innocent hostages. Good guys got beat. As much as I like Eastwood, his westerns were a tad too unreal. Wayne was not afraid to show his character as a flawed person who was far from perfect.

Carl.
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Yep. I do love them both though. But let's be honest, when it comes right down to it Jacob McCandles would have Josey Wales bent over his knee for a good whippin if Josey ever got out of line. :D

black mamba said:
Woodrow, could you have popped a cap on Natalie Wood the way she looked?

The ending seems ENTIRELY reasonable to me! ;)
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You have a point.
 
Right now I have Hombre on. I think this film is often overlooked. It doesn't move fast, but it's pretty intense.

I just got to the part: "Hey, hombre! A compliment on your shooting! You put a hole in me! Whew. I never had a bellyache like this since I'm a little boy. Hey amigo! Friend! I am going to give you back this bullet. "
 
Frank Silvera is classic as the bandit. As good as Newman is, Silvera almost steals the show. Love Richard Boone, too.
 
One of my favorites from Big Jake
And now *you* understand. Anything goes wrong, anything at all... your fault, my fault, nobody's fault... it won't matter - I'm gonna blow your head off. No matter what else happens, no matter who gets killed I'm gonna blow your head off.
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I hope you guys and gals enjoy this, I was happy to see it. Little bit of Sheffield magic being brought back. This is from knife maker Grace Horne's Facebook page.

The quotes are hers.

The latest batch of old hand forged Sheffield blades to land on my door step. Never been used. Some of them haven't even been ground, they are as they left the forge.
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Sorted the blades into size and shape...
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Old forged blades. Any idea what circumstance would justify the step down on the front blade? When would it be used? It's the only one I've ever come across in my batches of old blades. I am quite familiar with cranking them over (like the rear one) so that the blades of double ended knives can pass, but such a step...?
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I have just found that although I have dozens of German made stainless steel scissors for folders, I also have some Sheffield made carbon steel scissors as well.
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It's funny how the western, as a movie about a very brief period in American history that was over in a man's lifetime, gave birth to so many movies. More so than any other period in this countries time in existence.
 
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