"Carl's Lounge" (Off-Topic Discussion, Traditional Knife "Tales & Vignettes")

It feels so weird to hear about these storms, cause it's so calm here. Glad y'all are OK? Hang in there.
 
black mamba said:
Ed, I'm sorry for the loss of property, but thank God no one was hurt. These severe storms have GOT TO end soon!
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Most of the bad stuff this year has been north of us in Arkansas and Missouri and Tennessee. Those poor folks have been battered for weeks. The tornados went around us. My son lives in West Monroe; he's the one that lost his car shed, but it is an inexpensive affair and rebuildable easily. They just had power restored about an hour ago. The way the wind has been blowing this spring, I'd think we were living in west TX or OK.

Bastid, I'm really glad your family is alright.

Elliott, I am sorry to hear about the loss of your father; it leaves a hole that is hard to bridge. You have my prayers, sir. - Ed J
 
Thanks to all who have expressed their good thoughts on the loss of my father.

Just back from several days away so I'll keep it short...but I want you each to know that I truly value the words and the thoughts expressed. Thanks again to you all.
 
Deleted by LKJW. I do not understand how the blog function works, but I have a blog. I just thought folks might enjoy it. Mea culpa.
 
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LKJW,

Please use the blog function for those types of posts. They are well written and enjoyable, but really do not belong here.

Thank you.
 
I'm not sure it's an exact quote but, if you get the latest Blade Magazine you can read the comments of a certain well known, lockback maker telling us in so many words that we're kinda stupid for taking such chances. In the same article you read the same guy telling us that since Michael Walker invented the liner lock (oh really?!) there has been "trickle down ignorance" with the various ways successive knife makers have made their own versions of the liner lock. YIKES! I find statements like this unbecoming and outrageous coming from someone so highly regarded.

There are lots of issues that go with comments like this. Slip Joints aren't a liability any more than pointy scissors or a Bic Ballpoint. If you run while carrying those things you could end up performing a self tracheotomy. If you properly use any tool that is correctly made, you will do so unharmed DUH! Are we to assume that this guy is smarter than the generations of people who left this world with all of their fingers after years of using slip joints?

FYI...Michael Walker didn't invent the liner lock, he simply improved it's design with the advent of modern materials. If a guy wants to play with how those things work in a knife and it is a safe design then I say go for it.

Here's some questions that I would like to see some real answers for. There are a lot of smart guys here and I sure as hell don't know everything so help out a brother.

1. What can you do with a liner lock that you can't safely do with a slip joint?

2. What hand do people usually cut when using a knife of any kind?

3. If you had to stab a hole into a can of beans, would you rather have a fixed blade, locking blade, slip joint knife or can opener? (trick question)

4. How many blades can you put in a liner lock?

5. How useful is THE blade in a liner lock. (ooops, bad question that answers previous question)

6. How many fingers am I holding up towards said maker of stupid comments in the latest Blade Magazine article? :D

7. Do you think slip joint knives are dangerous? Why?

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1. Stabbing. A locking blade is better for self-defense only, and still far less suitable than a fixed blade.
2. The opposite hand, when being careless on opening or closing.
3. Can opener.
4. Two. There are several traditional styled double linerlocks available.
5. At least as useful as any other two-bladed knife (remember stabbing?).
6. Fingers . . . huh . . . OH MY! :eek: :p

7. Like any other tool, dangerous only if used improperly. Inherently as safe as any other knife.
 
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black mamba said:
1. Stabbing. A locking blade is better for self-defense only, and still far less suitable than a fixed blade.
2. The opposite hand, when being careless on opening or closing.
3. Can opener.
4. Two. There are several traditional styled double linerlocks available.
5. At least as useful as any other two-bladed knife (remember stabbing?).
6. Fingers . . . huh . . . OH MY! :eek: :p
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Sweet...if you would be so kind to pm me with a link to one or more of these wonderful dual bladed liner locks so that I might be better educated. ;) I hope these knives have really nice, slim blades in them like a muskrat or trapper and such and don't look like something Luke Skywalker would zap a Stormtrooper with. :p
 
Kerry,

I think the reference for one, is the Schrade electricians knives for example. Some of these are also set up that the screwdriver blade is unlocked by depressing the master in the closed position. Kershaw made a liner lock moose(i guess that is what you would call it!) KAI 4390.



Ken
 
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ken erickson said:
Kerry,

I think the reference for one, is the Schrade electricians knives for example. Some of these are also set up that the screwdriver blade is unlocked by depressing the master in the closed position.

Ken
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That's a good example of a two-blader. I guess on the Electrician, since one of the blades doesn't lock, those are only half-dangerous. ;)

Are there any liner locks with more than two blades?
 
I should come here more often!
Sorry to hear about your Dad Elliott!! I hope he saw enough of life.
He must have been a good one to come up with a son like you!!
 
KnifeHead said:
3. If you had to stab a hole into a can of beans, would you rather have a fixed blade, locking blade, slip joint knife or can opener? (trick question)
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What did that poor can ever do to you that you have to stab it?

Sorry it took me so long to respond. After years of slipjoint use, it is hard to hunt and peck the keys with the remaining finger I have. :p
 
KnifeHead said:
I'm not sure it's an exact quote but, if you get the latest Blade Magazine you can read the comments of a certain well known, lockback maker telling us in so many words that we're kinda stupid for taking such chances. In the same article you read the same guy telling us that since Michael Walker invented the liner lock (oh really?!) there has been "trickle down ignorance" with the various ways successive knife makers have made their own versions of the liner lock. YIKES! I find statements like this unbecoming and outrageous coming from someone so highly regarded.

There are lots of issues that go with comments like this. Slip Joints aren't a liability any more than pointy scissors or a Bic Ballpoint. If you run while carrying those things you could end up performing a self tracheotomy. If you properly use any tool that is correctly made, you will do so unharmed DUH! Are we to assume that this guy is smarter than the generations of people who left this world with all of their fingers after years of using slip joints?

FYI...Michael Walker didn't invent the liner lock, he simply improved it's design with the advent of modern materials. If a guy wants to play with how those things work in a knife and it is a safe design then I say go for it.

Here's some questions that I would like to see some real answers for. There are a lot of smart guys here and I sure as hell don't know everything so help out a brother.

1. What can you do with a liner lock that you can't safely do with a slip joint?

2. What hand do people usually cut when using a knife of any kind?

3. If you had to stab a hole into a can of beans, would you rather have a fixed blade, locking blade, slip joint knife or can opener? (trick question)

4. How many blades can you put in a liner lock?

5. How useful is THE blade in a liner lock. (ooops, bad question that answers previous question)

6. How many fingers am I holding up towards said maker of stupid comments in the latest Blade Magazine article? :D

.....discuss
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I've run into this attitude so many times in the last several years, it's infuriating. It usually comes from somebody under 40, if not under 30 years of age, is an avid reader and believer of all he reads in the knife magazines, and has no grandfather or even father figure at home to teach him the way of the world and all things in it. All they know is from video games, magazines, and peer stupidity. I'll call them the lemmings.

At a BBQ some years ago, I went to loan my sodbuster to a young lady who was slicing up some nice bread. Her boyfriend saw it, and openly told her not to use some old fashioned relic like that, because they are dangerous. That's why they don't even make them anymore. I was dumfounded by ignorance.

It's scary that a whole generation has grown up with no decent role model or guidance. They give no though to how our grandfathers got by in a much tougher world, than the plushy suburban mall they inhabit now. The only thing to do in the face of such ignorance, is to just keep on going and try to ignore it. Be an example to those around you, and make your actions cause them to examine the BS they hear.

Carl.
 
I added another question since I inadvertently created a rabbit trail about the usefulness of the liner lock per se. I think the bigger issue is that the guy was bringing down slip joints for some reason and played the safety card to elevate the things he makes.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your dad, Elliot. I lost mine 17 years ago, and with his birthday coming up, I've been thinking about him a lot. I'll be thinking of you and yours, too.

James
 
jackknife said:
I've run into this attitude so many times in the last several years, it's infuriating. It usually comes from somebody under 40, if not under 30 years of age, is an avid reader and believer of all he reads in the knife magazines, and has no grandfather or even father figure at home to teach him the way of the world and all things in it. All they know is from video games, magazines, and peer stupidity. I'll call them the lemmings.

At a BBQ some years ago, I went to loan my sodbuster to a young lady who was slicing up some nice bread. Her boyfriend saw it, and openly told her not to use some old fashioned relic like that, because they are dangerous. That's why they don't even make them anymore. I was dumfounded by ignorance.

It's scary that a whole generation has grown up with no decent role model or guidance. They give no though to how our grandfathers got by in a much tougher world, than the plushy suburban mall they inhabit now. The only thing to do in the face of such ignorance, is to just keep on going and try to ignore it. Be an example to those around you, and make your actions cause them to examine the BS they hear.

Carl.
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Carl, you would be appalled to learn that the guy is a codger like us....pitiful
 
FYI y'all, Jeff sent me a link for a big double liner lock trapper made by GEC similar to the R-1123 frame. I learned something there.

According to the the Blade Mag. commentor, even that design would be inferior to a "modern" liner lock. Ohboy!

(Why do I have this sense that I am stirring up a huge vat of poo? :p)
 
waynorth said:
I should come here more often!
Sorry to hear about your Dad Elliott!! I hope he saw enough of life.
He must have been a good one to come up with a son like you!!
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JAlexander said:
I'm sorry to hear about your dad, Elliot. I lost mine 17 years ago, and with his birthday coming up, I've been thinking about him a lot. I'll be thinking of you and yours, too.

James
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Thank you both. I really appreciate your words.
 
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