Carothers and Guns

tinfoil hat timmy said:
I owned a CSA VZ58 for a short period of time. I loved that tiny, simple, light rifle. It was a difficult decision, but I got out of the 7.62x39 caliber and sold it.

Nothing but 9mm, .22, .357/.38sp, 12 ga and .308 for me. No regrets.
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What you're currently left with covers almost all the bases so far as self-defense/homestead defense and most varmint hunting is concerned. Unless you end up setting a homestead say in Africa or Alaska where a more powerful large wild beast stopping power mat be required, the three rifles which you own, ought to serve you really well when hunting.
 
The BAR Safari is a very nice gun … and .270 is my personal favorite all around caliber. I believe all the BARs are still produced in Belgium or Belgium made and assembled in Portugal as said above (I don't believe there have been any Japanese made BARs) … but there is something about finding a nice vintage specimen. … if you hunt it's a nice option. And reading through this thread … the Sig 1911s aren't on the same level as a Dan Wesson and can be finicky much like Kimber 1911s … one good thing about Springfield Armory 1911s they accept most any after market parts and thy have been reliable as far as the ones that I have owned … being the Lightweight Champion Operator ... an EMP 9mm … and a TRP. … Springfield isn't a bad place to start with 1911s … if you can find a lightly used Dan Wesson that's a good option too.
 
JJ_Colt45 said:
The BAR Safari is a very nice gun … and .270 is my personal favorite all around caliber. I believe all the BARs are still produced in Belgium or Belgium made and assembled in Portugal as said above (I don't believe there have been any Japanese made BARs) … but there is something about finding a nice vintage specimen. … if you hunt it's a nice option. And reading through this thread … the Sig 1911s aren't on the same level as a Dan Wesson and can be finicky much like Kimber 1911s … one good thing about Springfield Armory 1911s they accept most any after market parts and thy have been reliable as far as the ones that I have owned … being the Lightweight Champion Operator ... an EMP 9mm … and a TRP. … Springfield isn't a bad place to start with 1911s … if you can find a lightly used Dan Wesson that's a good option too.
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I had a 1988 BAR in 300wm, it was an amazing gun but I sold it after spending 10$ per magazine to shoot it too many times. I miss it sometimes. So satisfying shooting 4 rds of 300wm in the blink of an eye.
 
Anyone in here who owns long rifle(s) chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor or has been pondering about getting into this cartridge? If so, I'd like to pick your brains :)

I don't want this subject (ammo size) to devolve into some form of battle of emotions which can make some folks break into severe rash. I don't belong to any gun forums and I'm no serious gunner but I do value the thoughts and experiences of many of my CPK brethren who happen to be part time hunters / shooters.

After a very long time of resisting, I am going to be buying myself a long rifle and maybe to get back into some very, very, very limited hunting. I have not hunted shyte ever since I was a young teen but I'm also one of those proverbial types who although has not ride a bicycle in a long time, I can adapt to it again very quickly types ;)

I got this bug up my arse when I went to the local gun-store and saw that beautiful Browning BAR .270 which since I got cold feet on (used, not a fantastic deal, semi-auto, yada, yada...). So been looking up long rifles as obsessively as I have intense proclivities for and IO have sorta settled on a Savage 110 which I can just buy and pick up from Bass Pro about 70 miles north of me, so that will most likely be the long gun.

The local place has a Ruger M77 chambered in .243 which is quite adequate for what I have in mind and is willing to deal (NOS) but then again I have other and better options. My budget is max 2K with a good midrange scope (probably a Leupold) but saving a few more $ has not hurt anyone :) So back to the cartridge, I can go for any of these in the following order:

.270 Win
6.5 Creed
.308 Win
30-06 Spring

I don't need or want Magnum cartridges (sorry WSM or other sorta Magnums fans!). There will be a lot more of range at private property practice shootings than actual hunting but even if I hunt, we are talking out here in the West so having the oomph of 30-06 for Alaska and Africa is a redundant argument to me. What is important is NOISE and then obviously less recoil if I manage to get a rifle which supposedly handles recoil perhaps better than some others. I also know that 30-06 and .308 are always available at any hardware store in North America if I ended up in the boonies wanting ammo (welp, not here in CA) and I am no hand loader and won't be getting into that game.

So in summary, it is either .270 or 6.5 Creedmoor which in any case are variants of the other two respectively! Most likely will be a .270 because it checks a few more boxes (ammo $ on top) but I wanted to hear from some devil's-advocate sounding boards.

TL; DR: no frivolous arguing about which cartridge is the bee's-knees or the cat's meow because we don't want have this thread locked again! PLEASE AND THAK YOU :)
 
Wood5045 said:
Hey Maty,

Another thing to consider is non-lead bullet selection in the calibers you are looking at if you plan on hunting in California.
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Thanks Darren but no hunting in Cali whatsoever if I can help it, unless SHTF and for that it will be plinking rodents with a 10/22 :D

If & when, the lower 48 and most likely the NW & the SW states :)
 
I have a Ruger precision in 6.5cm and a Savage 110 in 30-06.

The rifles are vastly different and I wouldn't use my long range rig for hunting and vice versa. Besides for all purposes the hunting rig should only need to take shots at 300 yards or less. My long range I've stretched put past 1000 yards and I know I still have plenty of stretching left.

30-06 provides more range in bullet grain so I can take hog to white tail to elk even. 6.5 creedmor is mostly going to get you a white tail, I wouldnt use it on a Hog and I definitely wouldn't use it on an Elk. Many other people hunt with creedmor but I havent yet.

In regards to 270, it's a good round but it isnt going to get you the same distance as creedmor nor the same power as 30-06 so I don't see it being beneficial to you unless you just want to be able to hunt Whitetail and occasionally plink, which stated you want the opposite.
 
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^Basically what ErocSD ErocSD said.

The creedmore was developed to shoot what to most guys would be very long distances. Wanting to shoot 1000+ yards begins with a rifle designed for and capable of shooting well at that range... enter a sizzling fast Creedmore.

The 30-06 is certainly capable of open range hunting (let's say 300 yards) if the bullet and load are worked up for it, and as stated it has a lot more versatility in rounds. It has been used to successfully hunt most of the large game animals in North America.

Hunting and long range shooting take simple confidence and knowledge of the rifle, which can only be gained by time behind the trigger. When you build up to it, the Creedmore could be pressed into hunting and the 30-06 could be stretched out for distance, but as is ever the recommendation ...

Buy both :D
 
If you've narrowed it down to between a .270 vs a 6.5 Creedmoor ... I haven't shot them side by side in comparision on purpose ... but here are some basic differences I can see ...

are the 6.5 Creedmoor has less felt recoil ... it is noticable ...

The .270 will shoot slightly flatter at ranges up to maybe 250 yards ... after that the 6.5 would start to have an advantage of less drop vs the heavier .270 bullets.

The .270 ammo will be easier to find in most sporting goods stores or Walmarts ... and slightly cheaper vs the 6.5 ...

it would be dependent on what your uses for it would be ... unless you want to hunt larger than whitetail deer the 6.5 will handle up to that very well ... with less recoil (if that is a factor to you) ... I've taken Elk and Black Bear with a .270 and never felt under gunned ... but I would not pick the 6.5 Creedmoor for either ...

I have taken wild hogs with 223s and .357 mag. or .44 mag. lever actions and revolvers so either the .270 or 6.5 would be plenty for hogs IMHO ...

you mentioned noise levels ... the 6.5 may register less decibels ... but once you get into that area unless you measured by decibels I doubt the human ear could tell a lot of difference in noise levels ... unless you use a significantly shorter barrel on one or the other.
 
^ JJ, thank you for your very sage advice :)

As stated in my rather long post, so far the .270 is leading unless I go totally berserk and switch teams to something like a lever action in 30-06 :D

The reality is that at my current (non)skill level and at this age, I would not be consciously confident to take a shot on a mammal beyond say 100 yards with open sights! That would be a total assholery on my part because I may would the animal but not mortally which will be a very heavy burden. So obviously the objective is to get as proficient as can with a gun and caliber which I can be my best at without going through or owning a multitude of rifles, JUST ONE!

Still researching and a lot more to learn but thank you all for your invaluable real life takes :)
 
Casinostocks said:
Anyone in here who owns long rifle(s) chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor or has been pondering about getting into this cartridge? If so, I'd like to pick your brains :)

I don't want this subject (ammo size) to devolve into some form of battle of emotions which can make some folks break into severe rash. I don't belong to any gun forums and I'm no serious gunner but I do value the thoughts and experiences of many of my CPK brethren who happen to be part time hunters / shooters.

After a very long time of resisting, I am going to be buying myself a long rifle and maybe to get back into some very, very, very limited hunting. I have not hunted shyte ever since I was a young teen but I'm also one of those proverbial types who although has not ride a bicycle in a long time, I can adapt to it again very quickly types ;)

I got this bug up my arse when I went to the local gun-store and saw that beautiful Browning BAR .270 which since I got cold feet on (used, not a fantastic deal, semi-auto, yada, yada...). So been looking up long rifles as obsessively as I have intense proclivities for and IO have sorta settled on a Savage 110 which I can just buy and pick up from Bass Pro about 70 miles north of me, so that will most likely be the long gun.

The local place has a Ruger M77 chambered in .243 which is quite adequate for what I have in mind and is willing to deal (NOS) but then again I have other and better options. My budget is max 2K with a good midrange scope (probably a Leupold) but saving a few more $ has not hurt anyone :) So back to the cartridge, I can go for any of these in the following order:

.270 Win
6.5 Creed
.308 Win
30-06 Spring

I don't need or want Magnum cartridges (sorry WSM or other sorta Magnums fans!). There will be a lot more of range at private property practice shootings than actual hunting but even if I hunt, we are talking out here in the West so having the oomph of 30-06 for Alaska and Africa is a redundant argument to me. What is important is NOISE and then obviously less recoil if I manage to get a rifle which supposedly handles recoil perhaps better than some others. I also know that 30-06 and .308 are always available at any hardware store in North America if I ended up in the boonies wanting ammo (welp, not here in CA) and I am no hand loader and won't be getting into that game.

So in summary, it is either .270 or 6.5 Creedmoor which in any case are variants of the other two respectively! Most likely will be a .270 because it checks a few more boxes (ammo $ on top) but I wanted to hear from some devil's-advocate sounding boards.

TL; DR: no frivolous arguing about which cartridge is the bee's-knees or the cat's meow because we don't want have this thread locked again! PLEASE AND THAK YOU :)
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Well, my two cents is this. If you're going to go Savage, go with a 30-06.

For a couple of reasons. First, it'll reach out and slap silly any game on the continent. Second, depending on if you're a reloader, there is MUCH data regarding the topic. Third, I owned a Savage long action in 30-06 that I successfully re-barrelled into a .308. You can't go from 308 to 30-06 because of the cartridge length. Internal magazines can hold and cycle smaller than intended rounds but not vise versa. I can say that having the ability to switch calibers like that was pretty cool. The process was about ten minutes and extremely painless.

This goes for .270 I believe also. I could be wrong, but thought I'd mention it since you're doing the research anyhow.
 
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^ Timmy, the problem with that Savage which I have in mind is that it's actually a "heavy" rifle. It tips the scales at a bit over 8.2 whereas some other comparable which I have looked at come in around 7 lb. OK, a heavier rifle technically will also help out with recoil but there are also other factors which can reduce that. None of this really matters and is perhaps laughable topic to most/all range shooters but as you all know, try to loaded up a rifle and walk with it for miles! In such scenarios, LESS is MORE is the maxim ;)

I'm not even dead set on the .270 so not opposed to say .308 Win which you stated was your fave but probably in a lever action like a Henry if some of you can vouch for that. I honestly do not trust unbeknownst online reviews / reviewers.
 
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