Case/Bose 2011 Collaboration

Roland, Case doesn't need anyone to make excuses for them. Their knives speak for themselves, and as you stated your personal experience has been great, thus you're a witness to their quality and have proveded testimony of it.

Me: "I've bought 4 different Case Bose, no complaints on any of them. " Roland:"The 3 collabs i have fit your description."
 
brownshoe said:
Roland, Case doesn't need anyone to make excuses for them. Their knives speak for themselves, and as you stated your personal experience has been great, thus you're a witness to their quality and have proveded testimony of it.

Me: "I've bought 4 different Case Bose, no complaints on any of them. " Roland:"The 3 collabs i have fit your description."
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The problem is, the average person like myself who hasn't bought a collab yet will remember a lemon before the good ones...because there is a chance I'll buy a lemon. At a price/risk standpoint I couldnt do that unless it was a secondary market purchase WITH a lot of images or physically inspecting it.
 
Personally, I believe the problem is that the bose collaborations are not for "the average person". They are for knife knuts, a special kind of knut that likes traditionals, and a special kind of traditional knife knut that is foolish enough to spend more on a knife than the cost of those wonderful Rough Rider or Chinese-made AGR knives. If you can't afford the stove, stay out of the kitchen :)
 
brownshoe said:
If you can't afford the stove, stay out of the kitchen
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I think you're missing the point. It's not whether one can afford the knife. It's whether one is getting commensurate quality and value for the money paid.

Whether someone has deep pockets or not they'd be a fool to accept less than their money's worth just because they can absorb the loss.

Certainly that's not the foundation a reputable manufacturer would want to base their business upon imho.

Personally, I wouldn't suffer poor quality just because I could afford to.
 
brownshoe said:
Personally, I believe the problem is that the bose collaborations are not for "the average person". They are for knife knuts, a special kind of knut that likes traditionals, and a special kind of traditional knife knut that is foolish enough to spend more on a knife than the cost of those wonderful Rough Rider or Chinese-made AGR knives. If you can't afford the stove, stay out of the kitchen :)
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Hmmm, interesting point of view.
 
Blues, your post above is well said. To extrapolate it a bit: the more i pay for a knife, the higher are the standards that i expect to receive.
For the Collabs, i'm sure Case could improve their quality control but there is no monetary incentive to do so as they already sell every collab knife they make.
Too bad that pride alone in the names "Case", "Bose" and "U.S.A." isn't enough to go that extra step of hand inspecting each one.
roland
 
brownshoe said:
Personally, I believe the problem is that the bose collaborations are not for "the average person". They are for knife knuts, a special kind of knut that likes traditionals, and a special kind of traditional knife knut that is foolish enough to spend more on a knife than the cost of those wonderful Rough Rider or Chinese-made AGR knives. If you can't afford the stove, stay out of the kitchen :)
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Very elitist and condescending view you have, I think Elliott summed it up best...and you've assumed I don't own any expensive knives, you'd be quite wrong. As said you pay more, and expect that little bit more (especially when Tony has his name put on them).
 
Personally, the poor reviews have scared me off. $330 is quite a lot to me for one knife. I can't risk spending that much on a knife that may have issues. I don't care how good Case's customer service is...having to send back a brand new knife is unacceptable to me.
 
Oh man, the Lough Lider knives are lookin better and better, what with all the hundreds, maybe even THOUSANDS of bad collaboration knives coming out of Case. :eek::rolleyes:

...It's not a full moon, is it? :p
 
Kerry, are you in a position to ask Case management why they do not do a proper inspection of every Collaboration knife before it is sent out ? At this price and with these low production numbers nobody should have to send one back. A proper inspection of each knife would make these knives a "home run" for everybody and the "Case" brand would be moved up a notch in peoples' opinions. There's lots of competition in the knife business so doing all you can to maintain or improve your reputation is important. The Collaboration knives are a great opportunity for Case but they are not capitalizing on it anywhere near as much as they could.
roland
 
What does a full moon have to do with anything? I'm crazy because I think a $300 knife should be of good quality? I wouldn't get any chinese knife but I also think Case shouldn't let rejects slip through...especially on their most expensive offerings.
 
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Yeah..a little crazy that a single bad review would "scare me off" but many encouraging reviews are ignored. Is it true you were going to buy one of these until you read of the horror above?

You guys know these aren't custom knives, right. The price is higher because the steel and EDM process adds significant additional costs to production. They probably aren't putting much more time in FnF as you would expect compared to the standard line knives. And they are human and prone to mistakes. You guys know that, right? If not, well...I can't help you.

Roland...The folks at Case don't even know I exist. ;) I can't be blamed for this travesty..this miscarriage of all that is good.
 
Cisco Kid said:
Here are the pics (sorry about taking so long, I suck at it and I'm not even sure guys like me should be allowed to have a camera). I think the tip is missing due to poor sharpening: during sharpening the main axis of the nife was kept perpendicular to the wheel, rather than folloing the contour of the blade.



The same for the secondary blade.



Here is the off-center main blade. It does not rub the liner.



Bottom line is that this knife is beautiful and I love it, but it also should be better than this for this price. I decided I won't get a second one, it's just not worth it (for this price I can get a custom), but I'll keep and use this one.
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I got to handle one today just like the one above. Great fit & finish, lovely knife and it feels great in the hand, but sadly the blade tips were pretty dull just like above.
 
KnifeHead said:
Yeah..a little crazy that a single bad review would "scare me off" but many encouraging reviews are ignored. Is it true you were going to buy one of these until you read of the horror above?

You guys know these aren't custom knives, right. The price is higher because the steel and EDM process adds significant additional costs to production. They probably aren't putting much more time in FnF as you would expect compared to the standard line knives. And they are human and prone to mistakes. You guys know that, right? If not, well...I can't help you.

Roland...The folks at Case don't even know I exist. ;) I can't be blamed for this travesty..this miscarriage of all that is good.
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If you would increase your own production numbers and lower your prices, people would be able to come to you for a Wilfred knife instead of Case!!!! :)
 
KnifeHead said:
Yeah..a little crazy that a single bad review would "scare me off" but many encouraging reviews are ignored. Is it true you were going to buy one of these until you read of the horror above?

You guys know these aren't custom knives, right. The price is higher because the steel and EDM process adds significant additional costs to production. They probably aren't putting much more time in FnF as you would expect compared to the standard line knives. And they are human and prone to mistakes. You guys know that, right? If not, well...I can't help you.

Roland...The folks at Case don't even know I exist. ;) I can't be blamed for this travesty..this miscarriage of all that is good.
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I've seen more than 1 bad review. And yes, I was planning on getting a coffin jack. I have never bought a custom because I can't afford one. I guess you can't relate to people in my earning bracket.
 
Kerry, i'm sure that you are known to those who manage Case. You are a knifemaker, known for high quality work and with only positive 'reviews'. Surely Case 'people' keep up with the 'knife world' ?
I would be honored to own a Kerry Hampton knife while i can still afford one because youse gunna be even more known than you are now.
roland
 
I bought a Case collab, but it was second hand, but practically unused, I was impressed with the knife when I got it, I paid what I thought at that stage a fair amount of money, and expected it to really stand out.
Upon inspection, it was a great knife, the fit and finish was all very nice, but to my absolute horror one morning I found this...
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The night before I was carrying the knife, and it wasnt used, just "thumbed" it when I was in the movies....so I am astonished at how this happened, but Case did replace the spring...from New Zealand...it was a long wait, and upon arrival the knife had no snap at all-I mean at all...I honestly after all that wanted to throw the knife away.
But Case knows knives, and I havent grown up with knives like my forum friends, so I persevered...hot soapy washed it quite a few times, blew it out, oiled it....I am pleased to say the knife is back to where it is again.
But I did wonder at the reasons as to why ( for a more substantially priced knife ) Case sent it back to me like they did?..was it because they - with their knowledge knew it would break in?, my quality control would not have allowed that knife to be sent back the way it was, it took a lot of work to get it back, and to me is unacceptable.
The knife is now whole again :), and you would never tell its been apart, I do have to say that I was surprised to not be able to see any signs at all of disassembly.
I find that the well priced Case Collabs dont jump out and scream at me like I was expecting-especially when I compare it to my AG Russell Chinese made knife -that is a beautifully made knife, as are even the good old Old Timers, John Primbles, or my GEC's.
Value for money? I dont know, I only own the one, and it ( up to now) has been a troubled partnership.
 
I love my collabs. The fit and finish has been great, and these are large knives, not tiny little peanuts. There is no way it can be compared to an AGR knife made in China. To me there is more than just fit and finish. I'm paying for a knife designed by an American and built by Americans in the United States. That in and of itself is worth something, and one of the things that make these knives appealing.
 
Gmountain said:
I love my collabs. The fit and finish has been great, and these are large knives, not tiny little peanuts. There is no way it can be compared to an AGR knife made in China. To me there is more than just fit and finish. I'm paying for a knife designed by an American and built by Americans in the United States. That in and of itself is worth something, and one of the things that make these knives appealing.
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I see where you are coming from with the American built knives, I am impressed mostly by them and own a substantial amount to back that up, but AG is a name that is also most respected, and apart from patriotic values, these knives can be compared. I hope you dont think I am having a poke at any of your values here, this isnt about politics,, purely knife comparisons, so there is simply no reason as to why these knives cannot be compared.
I would be most interested in a educated comparison between these two knives, as I think there would be little in it, I myself am surprised at the quality of the "C" made knife.
The Chinese made knives are designed by AG Russell, and I greatly respect your love for the Collabs, when forking out a few hundred dollars I think its only fair to compare, especially when you are looking at the performance of the knives to the cost of the dollar. I rate these two knives to be very much on the par, but please keep in mind, I only own the one Collab, I have many knives that compare with quality, fit and finish American made knives when comparing them to the Collab, and the cost difference is huge.
 
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