Cattaraugus Q225 ~

AreBeeBee said:
That left- and right-hand reference (and all the mfgrs) was for the USN Mark 1, not the 225Q. I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impresssion. As far as I know the 225Q sheaths were (1) all leather and (2) all left-handed. Even Gen. Cota's in the photo is a lefty, but moved over to the right side.
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I meant the USN Mk 1. Can you link a citation for the Mk 1 being issued with both left and right hand leather sheaths?
 
Thomas Linton said:
A "right-handed" is easily worn on the left side.
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Sure, and vice-versa.

Thus what the left-hand sheath -- edge to the rear when worn on the left side -- suggests is that there was some rationale, some underlying doctrine regarding the equipment carried by servicemen as to appropriate orientation of the sheath & blade edge. Because the right-hand sheaths also put edge to the rear.

So why put the edge to the rear? Who decided this and why? Habit? Custom?
 
leghog said:
I meant the USN Mk 1. Can you link a citation for the Mk 1 being issued with both left and right hand leather sheaths?
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I don't have an online source — though I'll look for one. My source was the Trzaska article in the book I cited.

The book was published in 2001, and the Trzaska article appeared in Knife World in December 2000. This is the book: https://www.amazon.com/Military-Knives-Reference-Pages-Magazine/dp/094036218X and here (table of contents shown): http://www.knifeworld.com/milknivrefbo.html
 
riversidedep said:
Are any knife companies currently making a version of this knife? Anyone know?
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As far as I can see, no. Kabar does make the Mark II (the classic, in Marine, Army, and Navy branded models) and also the Mark I (USN). (I've been tempted to get a new Mark I.)
 
Thomas Linton said:
How many, respectively, were made during WWII?
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Thomas, I'm not sure there's a hard and fast number for the individual knives. Regarding the Cat 225Q we can look back at Frank Trzaska's article reproduced in post #9. In it the available data is for individual contracts found and the dollars spent on each contract. What I've seen is an estimation of what to expect as the cost per knife based on available data from similar items and those numbers divided into the total cost. Really an approximation.
 
sac troop said:
Ouch, I had trouble finding it and it's under Ontario's clearance section. So maybe it's going away. Still if I was set on getting one I'd start shopping at the knife distributers first, should save at least a couple of dollars. Personally I like the originals more.
http://ontarioknife.com/shop/clearance/fixed-blades/p3-army-quartermaster.html
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I own an original (post #19 in this thread). But getting a new one would be kick. Now I have to wonder about build quality...
 
It's 440A with a different shape and look - no massive steel pommel. 25-50 are on sale on eBay every day. The original sheaths were very thin leather and are often missing.
 
AreBeeBee said:
Ontario makes a new 225Q??? Please — point me to it. I need to get me one.
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Must admit that Im partial to the originals, though I did look at the repro, back when they popped up.

Especially considering the still (relatively) low price of an original Cat225.
 
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AreBeeBee said:
I don't have an online source — though I'll look for one. My source was the Trzaska article in the book I cited.

The book was published in 2001, and the Trzaska article appeared in Knife World in December 2000. This is the book: https://www.amazon.com/Military-Knives-Reference-Pages-Magazine/dp/094036218X and here (table of contents shown): http://www.knifeworld.com/milknivrefbo.html
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Ok. I just can't recall Frank T ever citing a source for the USN Mk1 being issued with left handed leather sheaths.
 
AreBeeBee said:
As far as I can see, no. Kabar does make the Mark II (the classic, in Marine, Army, and Navy branded models) and also the Mark I (USN). (I've been tempted to get a new Mark I.)
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The Cold Steel SRK is basically the Mk 1

PAL USN Mk1 and CS SRK
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Thomas Linton said:
It's 440A with a different shape and look - no massive steel pommel. 25-50 are on sale on eBay every day. The original sheaths were very thin leather and are often missing.
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It wouldn't be the same without the massive steel pommel. And the handle has a sort of RH double taper, I believe.
I probably spent too much on mine, though I was able to anguish over it in person and I was spared shipping charges and wait-time. Sheath so thin it stretched under the weight of the knife, and the keeper strap has lost both ends. The knife almost fits in my old Buck 119 sheath, except the flap won't reach the snap. My old Buck Nighthawk sheath is a nice fit.
 
Regarding Ontario's reproduction of the Cattaraugus 225Q, I have to ask why? You can get the real deal for less than the Ontario 6310 P3
 
Interesting that Ontario lists the repro knife with a Rockwell hardness of 53-58 -- a strangely wide range. Hmmm....Quality issues?
 
Thomas Linton said:
It's 440A with a different shape and look - no massive steel pommel. 25-50 are on sale on eBay every day. The original sheaths were very thin leather and are often missing.
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Hmmm. Not good news, given the comparison/review just above.

I know about the barely adequate sheaths the originals got, which is why I ordered a new replica sheath from Harry Savage, asking him to use slightly thicker leather.
 
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