Cavalcade of Carvers (preferably folders)

Very true! I have recently finished a few small onesnthat have been around for years waiting for the tools needed to come into my possession. I will, tomorrow while i work on my almost workable Frontier jackknife (semi grail pattern), get the rust off, do a final sanding with mineral oil for lubricant, clean with soap and water, dry out, then give a good final polish on the bolsters (shield stays original) and blades, and mineral oil bath.
Easier done than said :D

Pics incoming of course, just finished results no WIP thread jacking.

Thanks again W.A.!

Connor
 
Although I've whittled with almost all of my knives at one time or another, I think I've been most successful so far using the pen blade on Vic SAKs....

The first one I got was a Sarge carver....

I looked for a long time for a Rough Rider Whittlin' Buddy, but they seemed to be out of stock everywhere I checked. Earlier this year they became available again at that Tennessee RR emporium, so I ordered one....

My third example of a "dedicated carver" is a Flexcut Whittlin' Jack that I picked up not so long ago....

I noticed that all of your dedicated carvers have only straight blades. Not a belly in sight. I believe the same is true of the Oar Carver. I'll be very curious to hear about your experiences with them as you explore them. Especially since you like the pen blade on your SAK.

I think I've used both a straight edged blade (sheepsfoot or coping) and a curved blade (pen or spey) on pretty much every project I've done and I'm trying to imagine how it would have gone without one or the other. I suspect that means I still have a lot to learn! :)

Happy whittlin',
Greg
 
I noticed that all of your dedicated carvers have only straight blades. Not a belly in sight. I believe the same is true of the Oar Carver. I'll be very curious to hear about your experiences with them as you explore them. Especially since you like the pen blade on your SAK.

I think I've used both a straight edged blade (sheepsfoot or coping) and a curved blade (pen or spey) on pretty much every project I've done and I'm trying to imagine how it would have gone without one or the other. I suspect that means I still have a lot to learn! :)

Happy whittlin',
Greg

That's an interesting point. I do most carving with a straight edge, but there are a few things that call for a different shape. The Boker Carver's Congress was designed for wood carving, with a spey-like blade for scooped cuts, and if I ever try to carve a spoon, I imagine I'd need something like that.


While I'm posting pictures, here's a lizard I carved mostly using a #26 with wharncliffe and coping, but I used a few other tools as well.

 
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That's an interesting point. I do most carving with a straight edge, but there are a few things that call for a different shape. The Boker Carver's Congress was designed for wood carving, with a spey-like blade for scooped cuts, and if I ever try to carve a spoon, I imagine I'd need something like that.

Ah, yes, the Böker Carver is an excellent counter example!

While I'm posting pictures, here's a lizard I carved mostly using a #26 with wharncliffe and coping, but I used a few other tools as well.

Neat lizard! :thumbsup:

And, perhaps you've given a hint to the answer. I wonder if those straight-edge-only carvers are intended to be supplemented with additional tools like gouges?
 
True that.:thumbup: A member and I had been discussing for weeks the best way to do a mod like that, and what tools I'd need, etc, and one day I just said What the heck...:D

So check it out! 5K Qs sent me a RR Whittlin' Buddy. (along with a few other treasures.) I'm looking forward to giving it a try. When I've seen pictures of these, I wondered if the spine on the closed blade would be uncomfortable in use, but I didn't realize how big it is, and I can get my whole grip in the front part of the handle.


Outstanding! nice to see things like this happen on the porch, looks great, be sure to let us see some of the work it's able to do, those look like quite rugged knives!
And 5K, kudos to you!
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You all have some serious carving skill! How about posting some more works...
 
I was browsing Chris Lubkemann's website today. He's the author of several whittling books, including the Victorinox Swiss Army Knife Book of Whittling. It turns out that for the past twenty years or so he's been doing all of his whittling with SAKs, usually the Tinker, Recruit, or Hiker. He describes two modifications that he makes:

- Modifying the small pen blade to sort of a mini wharncliffe. He describes it as "tapering the small blade to more of a point".
- Removing the key ring so that it doesn't interfere with pushing the small blade with the thumb.

Both of these sound like extremely useful modifications for whittling. I'm wondering whether any of you have experimented with these or other SAK modifications. If so, how'd they work out? Have pictures?
 
Here's a quick update/review on the Whittlin' Buddy that GT sent me.

I wanted to give it a try before doing any modifications to the blades (hadn't even touched up the edge since it came sharp enough), so I picked up a stick from the yard and started a few decorative carvings on it. It worked quite well. If I were working on a design that called for undercuts in narrow spaces, I would probably have to change to something with narrower blades, but for roughing out the shapes, this whittler is fine.



The thinness of the handle is more comfortable than I thought it would be, and gives good control. I think if you have hands that are too large to get a four finger grip around the front half of the handle, the spine of the rear blade would dig into your fingers. The blades stayed sharp with surprisingly little rolling of the edge, so I'll probably thin the grind a bit when I do touch them up.

As I said, I just picked up a stick from the yard, so I don't know what kind of wood it is, possibly pecan or hackberry or rose of sharon. I wouldn't call it a hard wood, but not terribly soft, either.

What I think is a fun project for beginners is to carve pencils. The wood is very soft, and Ticonderoga makes a kid's fat pencil, which gives you more wood to work with.
 
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Over the last year I've swayed away from my traditional knives to more modern locking blades.

This thread has me wanting to get a traditional back in my pocket.

Great thread. Keep up the pics all.

Jim
 
Here's a quick update/review on the Whittlin' Buddy that GT sent me.

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Thanks for writing up that review, Rachel. I'd been very curious to see how you liked it ever since you and GT posted pictures. :)

What I think is a fun project for beginners is to carve pencils. The wood is very soft, and Ticonderoga makes a kid's fat pencil, which gives you more wood to work with.

Those look great! And, like a lot of fun! How did you approach the woven one?
 
OK, so I'm SUCH a gracious host - I start a thread and then go away for an extended period! :rolleyes:

Aforementioned Case.
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The Case shield is worn down to the pins, while the blades are barely used. Lots of carry, little use. But there when needed. It was a gift from my favorite client (golfer).

Connor
That Case is very cool, Connor! :cool: Feel free to display something you whittled with it. (Shoot, I'd show off a decent pencil-sharpening if I ever did one! :o)

No Gary, I've never taken apart the Take-apart knife. I'm artsy-crafty, but not mechanically inclined and I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to get it back together.

There's a more detailed play by play of my Opinel modifications somewhere in this old thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1046919-Carving-Knife-and-Chat-Thread! As well as other discussions about modifying knives for carving.

Just for laughs though, here's an idea of my amateur knife-modding "skills"

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Don't try this at home, kids. And if you do, be sure to put a sack over the blade before you snap it. The end of that blade flew off my porch, 30 feet across the yard into the street! :eek: :D
Yowza, you don't mess around, Rachel!! :eek: I modified the handle on an Opinel #6 last week, and discovered that I'll have to reshape the blade to get the tip back into the new handle. My plan was to try to do it using a file, but now I'm wondering what would happen if I had access to a bolt cutter ... :confused:

That's correct. I start with a square profile and use the corner as the center line of the face. More info below.
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I use basswood. I haven't tried anything else--other than messing around with the odd stick--but, from what I've read, it's a favorite because it's relatively easy to carve and holds detail well.

Our own illustrious lutejones posted a wonderful carve a little character tutorial in the Workshop subforum. That was my introduction to caricature carving. I saw several of his little guys in the Whatcha whittling these days? thread and thought "there's no way I'd ever be able to do that". But, then I followed along with the tutorial and came up with something that I was very satisfied with for a first attempt. And was hooked.

Before attempting a second one, though, I've been practicing faces by themselves. The face was the most challenging part of that tutorial for me. I don't yet have the skills to reproduce the eyes shown there, so I've been working on a simpler version demonstrated in this YouTube video and its second part. The faces I showed earlier were all made following that method. I'm starting to get the hang of it. A few more and I'll try a larger bust.

Greg
Thanks for all the helpful info and links about face-whittling, Greg! :thumbup: I've admired lutejones's work when I've run across it, and I should make more time to spend in that Workshop subforum - lots of cool discussion there! Last summer while I was on vacation, I ran across that SharonMyArt YouTube about carving faces and thought it looked like an approach I could follow, but then vacation ended and I forgot about it until you reminded me!

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Also, I highly recommend wearing a carving glove or some other protective glove on your holding hand. I did at first, then stopped after a while of never needing it to save me. But then one day I was being careless with how I was holding the wood, the piece split out, and I ended up with a nasty cut in my finger. I wear the glove most of the time now. ;)
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I always carry a thumb guard with me that I'll put on the thumb of my knife hand when I'm whittling. I picked up a pair of Kevlar gloves at a gun&knife show, but I usually forget to put one on my "wood-holding hand" when I whittle; I should work smarter, not bloodier! :rolleyes:

I noticed that all of your dedicated carvers have only straight blades. Not a belly in sight. I believe the same is true of the Oar Carver. I'll be very curious to hear about your experiences with them as you explore them. Especially since you like the pen blade on your SAK.

I think I've used both a straight edged blade (sheepsfoot or coping) and a curved blade (pen or spey) on pretty much every project I've done and I'm trying to imagine how it would have gone without one or the other. I suspect that means I still have a lot to learn! :)

Happy whittlin',
Greg
Astute observation, Greg! :thumbup: Even outside the whittling context, although I've really been enchanted by the look of wharncliffe and especially sheepsfoot blades, I don't think I'm very skilled at using them. And I certainly feel the same way with the little bit of meeting around I've done with straightedge blades on whittling knives. My suspicion is identical to yours; I probably need to learn HOW to use straight blades effectively.

That's an interesting point. I do most carving with a straight edge, but there are a few things that call for a different shape. The Boker Carver's Congress was designed for wood carving, with a spey-like blade for scooped cuts, and if I ever try to carve a spoon, I imagine I'd need something like that.


While I'm posting pictures, here's a lizard I carved mostly using a #26 with wharncliffe and coping, but I used a few other tools as well.

Thanks for posting a pic of your Böker carver congress, Rachel; I was hoping this thread would get an example of that model eventually. :cool: And I enjoyed seeing your lizard (and GEC 26) again! :thumbup:

I was browsing Chris Lubkemann's website today. He's the author of several whittling books, including the Victorinox Swiss Army Knife Book of Whittling. It turns out that for the past twenty years or so he's been doing all of his whittling with SAKs, usually the Tinker, Recruit, or Hiker. He describes two modifications that he makes:

- Modifying the small pen blade to sort of a mini wharncliffe. He describes it as "tapering the small blade to more of a point".
- Removing the key ring so that it doesn't interfere with pushing the small blade with the thumb.

Both of these sound like extremely useful modifications for whittling. I'm wondering whether any of you have experimented with these or other SAK modifications. If so, how'd they work out? Have pictures?
Interesting Lubkemann info, Greg. :cool: He also has a book (or several) on whittling twigs and branches, right? Yesterday I was looking through a book I bought at the same time as my Flexcut Whittlin' Jack - it's called Complete Starter Guide to Whittling and has "24 Easy Projects", several of which are from Chris Lubkemann. In that book, he not only mentions making the pen blade on a SAK pointier and filing off the keyring attachment, he also mentions rounding off the "shoulders" on the edge of the SAK's big spear blade; my interpretation is he's recommending a full flat grind for whittling blades, a recommendation I've seen from many skilled whittlers. I haven't tried any of these, but think that I should. The key ring has definitely caused blisters in long whittling sessions (but I kind of hate giving it up because I usually carry a SAK every day by hanging it by the keyring from a little suspension clip on the edge of my left front pocket).

Here's a quick update/review on the Whittlin' Buddy that GT sent me.
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What I think is a fun project for beginners is to carve pencils. The wood is very soft, and Ticonderoga makes a kid's fat pencil, which gives you more wood to work with.

Thanks for your first impressions of the Whittlin' Buddy in action, Rachel! :thumbup: Let us know about any mods/tune-ups you do. Cool pencil project! :cool:

I suppose this knife isn't a "dedicated whittler" but I certainly purchased it with the idea that it might become a "go-to" whittling knives for me. It's a Rough Rider lockback cannitler, and it feels good in my hand while carving, but I think it would also benefit from my learning how to reprofile a blade to a flat grind with a 20-24 degree inclusive edge. How acute do you folks like to run the edge of your whittling blades? Am I being realistic here?
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Interesting Lubkemann info ... he also mentions rounding off the "shoulders" on the edge of the SAK's big spear blade; my interpretation is he's recommending a full flat grind for whittling blades, a recommendation I've seen from many skilled whittlers.

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I suppose this knife isn't a "dedicated whittler" but I certainly purchased it with the idea that it might become a "go-to" whittling knives for me. It's a Rough Rider lockback cannitler, and it feels good in my hand while carving, but I think it would also benefit from my learning how to reprofile a blade to a flat grind with a 20-24 degree inclusive edge. How acute do you folks like to run the edge of your whittling blades? Am I being realistic here?

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That RR is a neat-looking knife. I'd never heard of it before.

Tying both of the sections I quoted together, I sharpen my whittling blades at around 10-11 degrees per side, which is exactly in the range you're talking about. I haven't had any issues with chipping or other ill effects.

And, I've also seen the recommendation to knock down the shoulders of the edge. I used sand paper on a mousepad to give a convex edge to the blades on my Case Seahorse Whittler. I was disappointed with the factory edge. But, once I re-profiled down to 10 DPS and then gave the convex treatment, those thin little blades carve up a storm!

Here is my Seahorse posing with the most recent project I whittled with it:

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This is a not-so-good close-up of the pen blade which I hope gives at least an idea of what I was describing:

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As to 20-24 degrees inclusive full flat grind, does the trigonometry work out on that? I would think you'd need a secondary bevel to bring the edge up to that degree range unless the blades are very narrow. But it may be that I don't understand what exactly is meant by a full flat grind. I must admit to not being fully up on my blade grind terminology... More things to learn! :)

BTW, a new SAK Recruit arrived at my doorstep today. Its makeover has already begun. ;)
 
Great thread Gary.:thumbup: I used that Marbles I sent you for a bit of whittling seemed to work well though I am not very good at it.

Rachel I love your Opinel Mods.
 
Here are a few knives I tricked up to be better whittlers

Opinels are great modification subjects that make great whittlers

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I often sharpen the Opinel blade with an almost zero bevel on the left side (viewed from above with the edge down) and 15 degrees on the right side (this for right handed carvers) to make it easier to split the feathers for carvings like this:

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Outstanding work, Mr. Chips! I particularly like the hummingbird. What did you use for the color on the wing tips?

I often sharpen the Opinel blade with an almost zero bevel on the left side (viewed from above with the edge down) and 15 degrees on the right side (this for right handed carvers)....

Am I understanding you correctly that this puts the flat surface against the work?

Thanks for the tips and inspiration.
 
Outstanding work, Mr. Chips! I particularly like the hummingbird. What did you use for the color on the wing tips?



Am I understanding you correctly that this puts the flat surface against the work?

Thanks for the tips and inspiration.

The color is put on by using permanent felt tip markers after the feathers are split but before they are fanned out. Then, still before fanning, I drizzle on some methyl hydrate or denatured alcohol (isoprople alcohol does not work, vodka does work, but then we have the unseemly possibility of people sucking on the whittlin'!), which causes the colors to bleed. As a whittler, you know that this is the only thing you want bleeding on this or any other project. Then the feathers are fanned out.

You are correct in that the almost flat bevel is placed on the blank side of the wood and the feather is split off on the other side. I tried this with a true chisel grind and found that the knife tends to dig in too much, so I do put a slight bevel on that "flat" side.
 
Almost every traditional pocket knife has the potential to be modified into a good whittlin' iron,

Here is a pre war Remington (what I consider to be real Remington), that is tight and snappy, but had a broken blade that got re purposed into a good carving tool:

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The little guy was carved out of white pine using only this knife at a concert in a local park.

I love using these old "rescue knives" as whittlin' tools. Here's an old Western Boulder Colorado, that is one of my favorites. It is amazingly like my GEC 38,(which is even better).

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The Rough Rider/Colt/Marbles and current "Schrades" are great candidates for this activity too. An excellent example is the RR Barlow:

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A fantastic and low cost option is the current "Imperial Schrade" stockman. Upper left in this photo which includes some other modified (and a couple of not modified) knives,

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The Imperials cost even less (!) than the Rough Riders, and are decent knives with nice thin blades.

All that is needed to do these modifications is a good file and a sharpening stone and strop. A vise will make things easier, and a dremel type cuttoff disc can help too, but really all that you NEED is the file and some scrap of wood or even a stump to brace the blades on as you file.
 
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