Charging for paypal fees?

[teacher]

Thanks Kiah ..... :thumbup:
That seems about right.

I was looking while you were posting and I found this.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-receiving-fees-outside&countries=

Seems the fees for all accounts are now ...

1.9% - 2.9% + $.30 per transaction.

The 1.9% - 2.9% is the "sliding scale" that is based on the previous months volume.

The $.30 per transaction remains constant it seems.
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PS/ Your link is much better than mine Kiah, as yours deals much more in depth with FEES than does mine.

Thanks again Kiah!

PSS/ The above rate schedule would seem to blow my theory, in Post #18; [about seller possibly actually making money off you if you paid by PP]..... out of he water.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Once again, the PayPal contract specifically prohibits giving a discount for other payment methods, just as it prohibits charging an extra fee for using PayPal.

A surprising number of people seem to feel qualified to give advice on how to get around the contract without having read it....

 

[5.56]

It's pathetic when individuals exploit Paypal's services and expect to give nothing back in return. Or they pin their fees on their buyers. Pathetic. :thumbdn:

 

[CarpScot]

It's pathetic when individuals exploit Paypal's services and expect to give nothing back in return. Or they pin their fees on their buyers. Pathetic. :thumbdn:

Thanks for finally giving your opinion on the matter.

 

[Karda]

It's pathetic when individuals exploit Paypal's services and expect to give nothing back in return. Or they pin their fees on their buyers. Pathetic. :thumbdn:

Totally agree. Sellers that do should be avoided like the plague.

 

[5.56]

Thanks for finally giving your opinion on the matter.

I resisted for 12 hours, but the thread just seemed incomplete.

 

[jsciii]

On a positive note, I've noticed the trend going away from expicitly indicating additional PP fees on the For Sale Forums. Unfortunately, there are some members who not only indicate there will be a fee, they ask 4% and more.

 

[teacher]

It's pathetic when individuals exploit Paypal's services and expect to give nothing back in return. Or they pin their fees on their buyers. Pathetic. :thumbdn:

Totally agree. Sellers that do should be avoided like the plague.

+1 to both of these.

This has been an informative, eye opening thread for me.... as I had never given it much thought. I will from here on out though....

Thanks to the OP for bringing it up ...... :thumbup:

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Once again, the PayPal contract specifically prohibits giving a discount for other payment methods, just as it prohibits charging an extra fee for using PayPal.

A surprising number of people seem to feel qualified to give advice on how to get around the contract without having read it....

oops.

i dont do either.

 

[Karda]

On a positive note, I've noticed the trend going away from expicitly indicating additional PP fees on the For Sale Forums. Unfortunately, there are some members who not only indicate there will be a fee, they ask 4% and more.

These are the ones that should be doubly avoided, not only avoided but IMHO possibly reported.

 

[Ken44]

It's pathetic when individuals exploit Paypal's services and expect to give nothing back in return. Or they pin their fees on their buyers. Pathetic. :thumbdn:

Pathetic is a pretty strong word.
There are many that doesn't even like to take PP(With your supporting the NRA I assume you may know why many don't like PP), and only offers it as a favor to the buyer that doesn't want to use a USPS MO. How is that "expecting to give nothing back in return" to PP, or "exploiting PP" As long as PP is getting there fee's there not being exploited, so I assume you meant the buyer is being exploited???

I've sold many at cost here on BF that I could have gotten more for,(thats just me, nothing wrong with making money). Most of us are not dealers. Why should I pay the fee's and loose money when I already feel I'm doing the seller a favor at times when I sell at cost, or below?

If a seller is giving me a good deal there is NO WAY I would let him eat the fee's. I'll offer to pay them wheather they ask for them or not, as I feel all should. Thats just courtisy IMO.

Now that I see how many of you feel about PP, I may only take usps mo, or mark everthing up to reflect PP fee's.
But PM me if you support the NRA... you just may get 3% off for that.

 

[Triton]

It's pathetic when individuals exploit Paypal's services and expect to give nothing back in return. Or they pin their fees on their buyers. Pathetic. :thumbdn:

<Scratching head> So I take it that you think all retailers who accept credit cards are pathetic because they pass the fees that the credit card companies charge them on to the customer? Do you also think it is pathetic that someone would charge a customer for shipping and handling? After all wouldn't this be exploiting the post office and giving nothing back in return because they have pinned the fees on the buyers?

 

[al3xd4gr34t]

As a seller, I feel that paypal is a convenience for me, not having to wait for a check or O or clear, so I do not charge for paypal surcharges. I can understand some people splitting the fees because it gives the buyer protection, as well.

 

[Caffeinepirate]

As a seller, I feel that paypal is a convenience for me, not having to wait for a check or O or clear, so I do not charge for paypal surcharges. I can understand some people splitting the fees because it gives the buyer protection, as well.

You also don't have to go to an atm or bank to deposit the check or money order, or deal with shady buyers who claim they "sent" you the money order but you never received it.

 

[Triton]

As a seller, I feel that paypal is a convenience for me, not having to wait for a check or O or clear, so I do not charge for paypal surcharges. I can understand some people splitting the fees because it gives the buyer protection, as well.

Again, though I have to ask the question do you feel the same way about shipping fees? After all as a seller the post office is a convenience to me, to not have to get on a train or plane and take the person their item or to only sell to people in my immediate area. As such shipping fees are just a part of doing business and business costs get passed on to customers if someone wants to stay in business.

In a similar manner paypal fees are just a cost of doing business and paypal fees also get passed on to the customer or at least I thought so. This idea that paypal is strictly a convenience for the seller and they should eat the fees is a new one on me I have to admit.

 

[Karda]

Again, though I have to ask the question do you feel the same way about shipping fees? After all as a seller the post office is a convenience to me, to not have to get on a train or plane and take the person their item or to only sell to people in my immediate area. As such shipping fees are just a part of doing business and business costs get passed on to customers if someone wants to stay in business.

In a similar manner paypal fees are just a cost of doing business and paypal fees also get passed on to the customer or at least I thought so. This idea that paypal is strictly a convenience for the seller and they should eat the fees is a new one on me I have to admit.

If the post office had a disclaimer stating it is expressly against their rules to pass on shipping fees to the customer, you would be bound as their customer to adhere to their rules or risk losing the priveledge of using mail system. It isnt so hard to figure that as a customer of paypal, by using their services, you should play by the rules or risk having your account locked and lose that priveledge. By abusing the system, all that is being accomplished is to cause paypal to modify their system to make things more restrictive or costlier, which ruins it for everyone.

 

[Jaxx]

Once again, the PayPal contract specifically prohibits giving a discount for other payment methods, just as it prohibits charging an extra fee for using PayPal.

A surprising number of people seem to feel qualified to give advice on how to get around the contract without having read it....

Hey, Cougar...not that I would doubt your word on this, but do you know where exactly in the user agreement I can find it? I've been looking through the agreement, but haven't found that. TIA if you can help.

 

[al3xd4gr34t]

Again, though I have to ask the question do you feel the same way about shipping fees? After all as a seller the post office is a convenience to me, to not have to get on a train or plane and take the person their item or to only sell to people in my immediate area. As such shipping fees are just a part of doing business and business costs get passed on to customers if someone wants to stay in business.

In a similar manner paypal fees are just a cost of doing business and paypal fees also get passed on to the customer or at least I thought so. This idea that paypal is strictly a convenience for the seller and they should eat the fees is a new one on me I have to admit.

I can see where you would think that. But to me, that is taking it to a bit of an extreme, sending a knife in the mail vs. hand delivering it. Honestly, if the buyer is in my area, I will want to set up a time and place to meet and do the exchange (I've done this before). But the cost of flying to deliver a package vs. sending it in the mail is so much more than charging someone 3% to save yourself some money.

Also, normally in my FS posts, I will have the price that someone will pay. No paypal fees, no shipping fees. In my earlier days in buying and selling, I may have put "plus shipping" but I've grown out of it and find it better just to put the price someone pays.

In the end, most of use on here are not dealers, and are just trying to move some things that we may not want or need anymore, or just want to try something new, so I don't think that paypal fees is a big thing to us.

 

[LMT66]

I think it is pretty lame to say that folks who request an extra fee should be reported.
That's pretty low. If you don't like it, move on to another buyer who doesn't ask for it.

Most everybody here are just working stiffs with a private knife collection or are gear junkies and are not dealers. Some things are bought and kept, others are passed along for whatever reason.

My guess is that the first person here that gets reported to Paypal and has their account frozen for "up to 180 days", will surely make it known and we will see a great convenient way to pay for stuff, rapidly removed from the majority of listings because of one guy with a grudge.

 

[Karda]

I think it is pretty lame to say that folks who request an extra fee should be reported.
That's pretty low. If you don't like it, move on to another buyer who doesn't ask for it.

Most everybody here are just working stiffs with a private knife collection or are gear junkies and are not dealers. Some things are bought and kept, others are passed along for whatever reason.

My guess is that the first person here that gets reported to Paypal and has their account frozen for "up to 180 days", will surely make it known and we will see a great convenient way to pay for stuff, rapidly removed from the majority of listings because of one guy with a grudge.

I never said i would report someone, kharma has a way of working all on it's own.
You think it's low that someone should think someone who is breaking the rules should possibly get reported. Some people think it's low that these people should think that they are so priveledged that they don't have to follow any rules but their own. Some people think it's low that the fee should be put upon the buyer, especially when its is against written policy for that PAID service. Especially when some of the people are charging over and above Paypal's listed percentage. If a person won't use Paypal because they cant follow simple rules, then they shouldnt be using that service, should they? Maybe they should find a better way. If a person gets their account locked for abusing the system and breaking the rules, they took their chances and will have to live with the consequences of their own actions. It would be their fault and noone elses.