Cheap knives are a bad idea.

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Chapp, Apr 20, 2019.

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  1. TheChunk91

    TheChunk91 Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    This knife was $5, so I guess I'll throw it away since it's cheap. These thin and well ground blades sure don't cut very well. It's boring old carbon steel too, so you know it won't hold an edge, because reasons. I wish it had a better lock too, every time I try to cut with the back side of the blade it folds up on me. :(

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  2. Reitwagen

    Reitwagen

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    Mar 2, 2009
    This sums up the entire thread.
     
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  3. Rob Skinner

    Rob Skinner

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    Feb 25, 2019
    Wow. You sound like an affluent connoisseur of fine knives. I'm impressed.
     
  4. Dogdrawz

    Dogdrawz Gold Member Gold Member

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  5. gadgetgeek

    gadgetgeek

    May 19, 2007
    Cheap knives are a bad idea. First you start with one, and you think, well, it was cheap, I'll buy one just a little better. Then the next thing you know you are justifying 250$ as a cheap knife, even though you have a box full of knives, but "well, its still less than many other knives" Worse yet, you walk past a display cabinet with a bunch of SAKs or opis on discount and you think, "Yeah, I do have two tinkers and a stainless number 6 in box, but you know, they make such great gifts, and I don't want to end up giving away my last one, so I'll just grab an extra couple now" And if its online its even worse, because "Yeah, well but the extra 40$ gets me the free shipping, so I'm actually spending more money to get less knives if I don't buy that other one"

    Friends don't let friends Cheap Knives.
     
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  6. pinnah

    pinnah

    Jul 28, 2011
    May have been a mod, actually.
     
  7. Earl1

    Earl1

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    May 11, 2016
    Ive carried buck and case stockmans for years. And as a young boy until i was grown a schrade.
    I carry a more modern folder now in addition to a case,sak,or buck. I no longer own any knives over 90 dollars,not to say i wont.
    If ya wanna spend more you can, everyones idea of expensive is different. For some who need or want a pocketknife an old timer that
    Runs 15 to 20 dollars or maybe a rat 2 is what they wanna spend or maybe what they can afford.
    For others a gec or somethimg like a pm2 is at the low end of the spectrum
    I say if ya find a good knife you like and can afford it,buy it. The price doesnt make a good or bad knife, the materials and craftsmanship do that
     
  8. colin.p

    colin.p

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    Feb 4, 2017
    I started out buying a couple combo packs of Chinese made Buck knives for cheap. I quickly moved up to Buck Select's and RAT's. The difference in quality was certainly noticeable even though the Chinese Bucks were hardly junk knives, but you get what you pay for.

    Buy what you can afford and if you are satisfied with one or a couple of EDC knives and no interest in more, buy what you like regardless of what it costs. It really isn't rocket science.

    Hang on, all my tradionals are less than 90 bucks and that is our crappy CAD dollar.:mad::thumbsdown::confused:o_O:poop::p
     
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  9. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    There is a significant niche for inexpensive knives. All manufacturers would love to have a model or two that everyone praises and costs $30 or less retail regardless of where it is made. Many young folks would never have been introduced to the cutlery world other than in the kitchen if for some reason knives cost $90 or more. Inexpensive knives are important!

    They may not be your cup of tea, but for the majority of people, they work quite nicely to cut the occasional thing we all do day to day. This is one of the reasons I have really become interested in Rough Ryder knives. They're inexpensive. They work. I of course have more expensive stuff and can appreciate them. I have said before, if I only had a Vic SAK, I could function perfectly well in my day to day life.
     
  10. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Just logging on this morning and I haven't had the time to read the whole thread so if this has been covered I apologize. I have on immediate reaction to the OP. I'll check in later to read the rest.

    Sorry @Chapp , you are wrong. Even by your own criteria. Esee sells some fantastic knives at less than $90. Esee 3 and izula as examples.

    I've got plenty of sub $90 knives that I would completely rely on to do what I intended of them.
     
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  11. marchone

    marchone Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 13, 2013
    Bingo. It depends on use. Every knife in the world isn't a folder or fixed blade bushcraft type most often discussed here.

    It's not only line cooks but workers in meat processing plants who use butcher and breaking knives all day long. Hourly workers can't afford $90+ tools. That's where Dexter Russell, Victorinox and Forschner among others come in. Tons of other European and Asian ones exist too.

    I used $3 Tramontina stamped steel paring knives for years that I preferred over $50 forged Wusthof and Henckels models. As a restaurant owner/chef I could afford any knife I wanted. Sure the steel was soft, but once worn I just grabbed a new one. They sharpened easily, are very thin slicers and are ergonomically friendly. Today they're $10 each.

    Drawing an arbitrary line is capricious and uniformed. Sure, the OP is a troll but it engendered some good discussions.
     
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  12. BITEME

    BITEME Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 14, 2007
    Careless knife use is a bad idea
     
  13. Stelth

    Stelth

    Jul 15, 2007
    There's a lot of really excellent bargain-priced knives available. To suggest that someone has to spend a certain amount in order to obtain a "good" knife is ridiculous.
     
  14. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
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  15. KVT

    KVT

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    Feb 17, 2019
    I think the OP got exactly what he wanted - 5+ pages of endless bantering where we’re all saying the same thing, lol.
    Mission accomplished OP!
     
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  16. Shotgun

    Shotgun

    Feb 3, 2006
    I stopped reading at “sub-90$.” There are a lot of good knives below that mark. A sak may dull quicker and may not be “fast to deploy” but will generally cut as well if not better than most knives >$100. That’s just the first knife I thought of.
     
  17. GatorFlash1

    GatorFlash1 Gold Member Gold Member

    May 28, 2012
    I EDC a Spyderco Gayle Bradley which in the world of knives is an inexpensive folder. I have carried it since it was released. It does the job.

     
  18. Chapp

    Chapp

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    Mar 28, 2018
    What should I run from, lad ? You ? Other butthurt forums dwellers ? I don't have time to spend as much time on this forum as some of the bored manchild like the person I quoted above. I prefer to post first, let the answers get-in, and take my time to write back, like I always do.

    I have one too. I live in Europe, we know Morakniv probably even better than americans since they're basically everwhere here. More on Morakniv below.

    Like I said, not all expensive knives are reliable or good ; see ZT knives and how they can snap on your finger if you hit the back of the blade. Shit design.

    I live in Europe, but I still tend to shoot a lot because of my job. I agree with your overall statement. A glock 19 or a glock 43 is as reliable as it can get. I wouldn't call those cheap guns though. 600$ isn't cheap for a reliable handgun like a glock. I'd be worry about spending only 600$ on a revolver though.

    It's always funny to see dumbshmucks getting out of the wood, playing it sarcastic, and bringing up the Morakniv like their existence is some well-kept secret only the biggest knife enthousiast know. I live in Europe, Morakniv are well-known here and like you can see below, I have one (actually I have four). It's a decent knife, but you still get what you pay for. It's still a cheap knife I wouldn't trust that much for anything else than light tasks. Plastic handle, small tang, not so great grind, midde-grade metal...

    I know you're trying to play it smart because you're still butthurt about the discussion we had months ago (told a lot about your shitty life). Still, I bought a Sebenza and I did adapt to it. I didn't "mod" it to make it flick easier, I actually grew found of the slow opening. I flick my Para2 instead.

    PSA : the Inkosi is the one you want if you want to flick. CRK made it that way so people could open it the way they wanted (I asked them directly). Too bad you were too butthurt, or less knowledgable than you think, to mention it back then.

    Esee knives are way more expensive in my country than they are in the US, especially at retails. An Izula 2 is close to 115$ here and slightly more expensive at retail. They're more expensive in Europe, in Canada, in Brasil and in Japan from what I know for certain. In fact they're more expensive basically everywhere outside of the US. The world isn't limited to the US.

    I doubt most companies selling knives at the 30$ price point care about heat threatment that much. Some people don't care about heat threatment, hence the reason most companies just cheap on it. To me, heat threatment is king. I'd rather take a shit blade materiel with a great heat threatment than the opposite.
     
  19. Chapp

    Chapp

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    Mar 28, 2018
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    The problem is, I had a Delica and I have a Dragonfly 2, like you can see in a picture below.

    They're decent knives, but I sold the Delica because I got what I paid for : a back-lock lock with plastic handles, a blade that dull fast and some blade play after sometimes. I liked it for what it was, but I couldn't trust it that much.
    The Dragonfly 2 inspire even less confidence. You could basically slap it with your hands. It has no liners, no washers, it's basically a blade scratching against plastic. I still like it because I think the design in itself is great, probably the best for a small knife. Problem is, there are too many downsides. Now, the G10 Dragonfly is another kind of beast and what I would consider a great starting point for a knife and probably one of the best EDC around for its size, but it's past the 90$ price point. I'm still in-shock Spyderco doesn't make it in various colors with a better blade material... I like you Spyderco, but your second to none when it's about leaving money on the table.

    Next, the Benchmade Grip. I had the "big" one and the mini-grip, classic plastic versions for both (not the G10 ones). The big griptilian felt like a cheap knife sold for 100$. It's just an awful knife. The design is great, but cheap plastic handles and the partial liners are a deal breaker for me. It feels cheap and fragile. The mini-grip is what I consider the BARE MINIMUM for a folder. It has washers, great design, full liners and I abuse it on daily basis. Great knife, I have it, I carry it on me all the time, but afaik, it's past the 90$ price range.

    Don't get me started on Kershaw. Bad brand of assisted crap people like for reasons I can't understand. Outside of collecting or impulse buying (which I'm also guilty of sometimes), why buy a kershaw crap knife when you can spend a little more and get a mini-grip or a G10 Dragonfly ?

    Why should I be afraid of getting angry reactions ? I posted a controversial opinion on a discussion board of knife enthousiast. It's like going on a video-game forums and saying "A link to the past" sucks ball and always had or that Ocarina of time is one of the most boring game ever made (which are both true, nonetheless). You'll get hate and I could care less about it. I always question stuff, I don't care about the Doxa.

    Second, I'm quite well-versed in cheap knives. I spend months buying a lot of them, testing them... Actually, you can see I've still some of them :

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    I use to have even more than that for testing purpose. I've tested probably more than 30. That's what I consider being an enthousiast : you want to test the most you can to forge an opinion. That's what I do, I test a lot of knife, I look at them, open them, ask a lot of questions to companies, I watch inside... I don't speak from my ass like many outhere who just want to have a safe opinion on the dollars they spent. Yes, when you're a snowflakes, it hurts to know that someone consider the knives you like as a cheap tools you shouldn't trust that much. That's why you teach your children to not take opinion as personal attack.

    Everything is an opinion when it comes to hobby and fanboys. You can't get fact across when feeling are involved.

    You want a hard/true fact that backs me up : remove the price tag from any knives, let people chose and you'd see people pick knives around 100-250 over cheap plastic knife like a Rat-2 or a Cutjack mini. That's a fact for you.

    I live at the Switzerland frontier, in France (you know the country who makes opinel), nobody here cares about Opinel and Victorinox here. We all know they're full of marketing because we had them for decades. Only foreigners buy those thinking they made a bargain. Only victorinox worth buying are past the 100$ price range.

    Victorinox are somewhat servicable multi-tools, but shit knives, that's what we all think of them here. Unless you only use them to cut cheese and paper, which isn't my case.

    If cutting is all that matters, I can also grind a junk piece of metal and use it to cut. It will works. A knife isn't just about cutting. It's about the design, the blade material, the heat threatment, the action, the lock sturdiness/the tang solidity, quality washers, non-plastic handles, a versatile blade grind... That's what a knife should be about. I've yet to see that full package in sub 100$ knives, hence why I draw the line at that price-range. If you have an exemple of a full-package for me, I'd be really curious to see it.

    The vast majority isn't always right. I've also used cheap "mall" knives to cook for most of my life. I was doing "fine", they did cut ingredients, but I didn't know any better. I bought better quality knives to cook and never looked back since then. They don't get dull as fast (you don't want a dull knife in a kitchen if you enjoy having fingers), they're great to hold, they're not made of plastic, they're made by companies I actually trust...

    For EDC, being french, I used an opinel for some years, it was working fine. It actually cut things and was easy to sharpen. Then I bought a Mini-grip and Para-2, which made me understood what good knives were. That's what made me an enthousiast. Never looked back. I still buy cheap knives to test them, but I've yet to see one that made me consider to look back.

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  20. Mo2

    Mo2

    Apr 8, 2016
    I agree. But the knife industry avoids focusing on heat treatment in general.
     
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