Cheap knives are a bad idea.

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Chapp, Apr 20, 2019.

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  1. Chapp

    Chapp

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    Mar 28, 2018
    Bad point imo. We also used horses for centuries. Then we invented engines and never looked back.

    Same about knives. Yes you could be fine with an Opinel or slip joint, but why the hassle ? Why using outdated design when you can have something like a mini-grip or a DF G10 for slightly more than 100$ ?

    The only reason I have an opinel is too put it in my car. If it get stolen, I could care less.
     
  2. Night Rider

    Night Rider Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 16, 2018
    Wow! 5 pages for a bogus blanket statement and a fact flawed thread, nice one Op. According to you I should toss these cheap pieces of :poop: away even though they have helped me pay my utility bills, house mortgage, new hot tub bill, and put 2 of my 4 boys through collage :(. What was I thinking :eek:. Yes I have knives in the $250 range but these knives are my work horses with the $20 dollar SOG AEGIS FL being my #1 go to work knife. I'm going to make my own factless based blanket statement and say that knives in this price range make up the majority of knife sales in the United States and All of these knives have been dragged through the mud and dropped off ladders onto concrete. Also they have all made at least 2 trips apiece through the laundry, washed and dried :D. Super Steels are great but not needed in a real work environment and 8Cr13MoV is easily sharpened and tunes up quickly on a strop at the end of the week. In my 37 years of working construction I have NEVER seen a Sabenza or a Hinderer or even a ZT on the job site. Do the other workers own some? probably but they choose to use the right tool for the job and Sub $90 dollar knives are the knives they prefer to use to keep America growing while their super steel sprint runs stay at home in the safe LOL. [​IMG]
     
  3. rogatsby

    rogatsby

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    Jun 19, 2018
    The point that I and many others have tried to make in this thread is that your picking an arbitrary price point and labeling all knives under that price point as junk is simply wrong and irrational. There are many, many knives that cost under $90 that are quality tools, have solid materials, and are safe, proven knives. So I ask you, is a $70 Delica 4 or $80 Endura 4 junk? How about a $40 Ontario Rat 2 in D2 steel?

    As for Opinels, I and lots of other people still use them because they are cool, and they do something that knives are actually meant to do - slice and cut. And they still do this better than almost any other pocket knives in existence, including super expensive modern folding knives. In fact, one of the reasons I still use my Opinels and my cheaper proven folders like the Delica is because they are excellent slicers. So many of the pricier modern folders these days have bad blade geometry and are super thick.
     
  4. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 20, 2005
    Welcome back Chapp. Happy Easter.

    Slip joints work very well for cutting. It is not an "outdated" design. It is just a different design, but immensely practical and functional for a pocket knife.

    I generally would not get all that excited loosing an Opinel from my car. (If I owned one?) What I get excited about is all the other stuff that they may have taken and violated MY SPACE in the process.

    People still ride horses and love them (just like they love slip joints). I am generally not one of those people with horses. Give me a motor cycle or motor vehicle in general.
     
  5. marchone

    marchone Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 13, 2013
    I went on a Plains game safari in Namibia years ago. The Harare trackers all used cheap stamped kitchen knives with plastic handles they sharpened on field stones. They made quick work of everything from birds to tough-skinned kudu, wildebeest and zebra with ease. None of the hunters, including me, got to use their expensive fixed blades.

    On another hunt in Texas I field dressed a Rio Grande turkey with an SAK I had on me. The ranch hands didn't get back to me for over an hour and I had to cool down the big bird quickly in the midday heat.
     
  6. Boxer .45

    Boxer .45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 11, 2015
    Now you're just being silly!
     
  7. James Y

    James Y

    Feb 18, 1999
    The difference between horses as primary transportation and modern engines, and useful but inexpensive knives (what you deem 'useless as tools') and modern, over-$90 knives, is not even comparable.

    If you have a problem with such knives, then it's only your opinion, and any issues and 'lack of safety' is because you don't really know how to handle knives, not the knives themselves. If you handle even a slip-joint knife correctly, it will not 'slap' (sic) on you.

    You can have any opinion you want. The one in you're making in this thread is still wrong.

    Jim
     
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  8. Chapp

    Chapp

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    Mar 28, 2018
    Read better then, I already explained why I draw the line at the 100$ price-range. It's as arbitrary as everything when it comes to discussion about a hobby.

    You disagree, fine, but don't try to discredit the discussion because it's not about facts. When people told you 20$ slip joint are servicable, it's an opinion, nothing more and strangely I see less hot takes about it.

    Yes, especially the Rat-2. Plastic handles, made in China, poor heat threatment that make their D2 steel a bitch to sharpen compared to many other blade, aluminium thin liners you shouldn't trust, bad QC. Plus, it looks like ass.

    Keep buying opinels mate, it helps France economy. Just don't try to pass them as what they're not. They're just nice tradition knife for curious people, not great knife you should rely on. It tells a lot when french people don't buy them that often. Most of sale come from foreigners. Opinel have no clip, two hands opening, you can't soak them because the joint will block for whatever reasons, nail opening (ew), fragile grind and I wouldn't trust the lock that much... That's what I call an outdated design, they're impractical. Like I said, tradition knife for people who're curious about it, nothing more. Let's not even talk about how impractical they are to carry in your pocket. They're thick and take way too much space.

    You can get them insanely sharp, but there's more about knives than just a sharp edge. That's reducting the scope of what make a knife great.

    The old "you don't know how to use them" used frequently by people that can't argue, despite spending their life on those boards. It's a knife lad, not rocket science. You sound like those delusional higonokami stans. Bad design is bad design. When you have to actually have gross nails to open a knife, it's a bad design, period.
     
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  9. rogatsby

    rogatsby

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    Jun 19, 2018
    OK. Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are talking about. Now I can ignore this thread. Cheers!
     
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  10. Chapp

    Chapp

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    Mar 28, 2018
    Sorry to burst your comfy bubble.
     
  11. Boxer .45

    Boxer .45 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 11, 2015
    Yeah! Chapp is the new forum Guru. We don't have to have options or know the facts anymore, we can just ask him and be humbled by his wisdom. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. A.L.

    A.L.

    Jun 27, 2007
    You put houses or cars to choose and people choose the nicest houses. Obviously. Still doesn't answer the question why cheap knives are bad idea.

    Are affordable cars bad idea? Is cheaper living expenses bad idea?

    There's facts for you.
     
  13. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    You are posting on a US based forum. You are making your argument in US based currency, about US produced knives. You don't list where you are located. I'm sorry that wherever you live has such horrible knife prices. Not really my problem though. I'm dealing within the context of the argument you have proposed. Be more clear if you want to have a serious discussion. I don't know what a $90 knife costs for you in your undisclosed location. For me, here in the US, where this forum is located, talking about the knives you discussed in the OP, and in the currency you mention, a fantastic sub $90 knife can easily be had, from the brand you mention no less.
     
  14. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Oh, and none of my ZTs have had an issue. All even pass a little spine whack. Top tip: use the sharpened part of the blade. It's a cutting tool.
     
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  15. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Okay, so you're from France. Got it.

    Remember when I called you on your in accurate facts earlier? You are still getting them wrong. No one will take your ridiculous arguments seriously if you continue to fail at basic, easily attainable facts.

    And I believe you were already warned about your offensive language.
     
  16. Rykjeklut

    Rykjeklut Basic Member Basic Member

    May 23, 2018
    Who was that guy who always put down modern steels, while batoning with ridiculous folders?

    They would have hit it off.
     
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  17. craytab

    craytab Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Gaston. I don't know though. He claimed an inexpensive Kershaw in 8cr he bought but never used was better than a CRK, which he also never owned or used.
     
  18. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    Checks online translator.

    Everything I like is great.

    Everything anyone else likes is junk.
     
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  19. Mecha

    Mecha Titanium Bladesmith Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 27, 2013
    What you got against fingernails? o_O

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Murdamook

    Murdamook

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    Nov 3, 2010
    Is there a reason OP hasn’t been banned yet? Forget the troll post, he’s done nothing but use bad language and insult other contributors? Why is this thread still even open? At least move it to W&C so this guy can get shredded.
     
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