Chef Knives To Go, Chosera Stones, and Edge Pro. I need some Advice.

[Spey]

If you have familiarity with the DMT line, I would stay there. They rate all their stone on grit, micron, and also F/XF/XXF type system. I personally come from DMT and like their grit system. Other MFRS also produce great stones.

 

[Spey]

Stropping procedure can improve previous sharpening work or degrade it. Many people I believe strop at too high an angle effectively rolling and stretching their edged to foil-edges that will roll easily under use. If you can come off the stones sharp (without any bur or wire edge) all the better (in my mind).

 

[Meast58]

If you have familiarity with the DMT line, I would stay there. They rate all their stone on grit, micron, and also F/XF/XXF type system. I personally come from DMT and like their grit system. Other MFRS also produce great stones.

Would there be any benefit to moving to a water-stone or some kind of larger bench stone?

 

[Spey]

I personally believe that's like asking a Ford vs. Chevy comparison, if you get my meaning. You'll find strong believers of both, but both will do a very good job.

 

[Spey]

I think a better consideration would be moving from small 4" stones to larger stones so that each pass of the stone can be longer and more consistent. When you see guys working water, and it looks so dreamy, consider the space the have to work. Large diamond stones, waterstones, etc. would all be significant improvement over 4" stones mainly because they ate larger.

 

[Meast58]

I personally believe that's like asking a Ford vs. Chevy comparison, if you get my meaning. You'll find strong believers of both, but both will do a very good job.

I understand what you mean. What do you think of the Spyderco UF stone? Would that be a useful stone to have?

I will look into getting some bigger stones, like you suggest.

 

[Spey]

Hmmm ..., really don't want to answer that because I think you are missing my point. But, hell yes a large Spyderco UF is awesome. However consider taking both the white stones of a Sharpmaker and laying them flat in the base the way Sal designed it (basically creates a larger flat Spyderco ceramic very similar to a large flat Spyderco UF stone) and those same stones can be used multipurpose in many other configurations. Once again more about the user that the tool ... ;-)

A two sided DMT + a Spyderco UF & strop would make a great kit

 

[Meast58]

Edited.

 

[Meast58]

Hmmm ..., really don't want to answer that because I think you are missing my point. But, hell yes a large Spyderco UF is awesome. However consider taking both the white stones of a Sharpmaker and laying them flat in the base the way Sal designed it (basically creates a larger flat Spyderco ceramic very similar to a large flat Spyderco UF stone) and those same stones can be used multipurpose in many other configurations. Once again more about the user that the tool ... ;-)

What am I missing? I'm trying to keep up. haha.

I don't want to become a pain or redundant with all the questions. If its stupid, you don't have to answer.

 

[ksskss]

So someone alerted me to this thread and a number of points deserve comments and clarifications.

Mark at Chefknivestogo:

Comments made by some people, mostly his competitors and a few malcontents being the exception - and usually quite inaccurate, I can unequivocally state that he doesn't have good customer service - He has EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD customer service! I consider his level of customer service something I can only strive to come close to and nothing his so called competition come close to. EASILY the best in the business! He has literally thousands of extremely satisfied customers out there and a very loyal following. He has his own forum and you can get excellent support from the community of mostly his customers there.

I cut stones for the EdgePro. These include Nubatamas, Shapton Pros, Choceras, Natural stones and several other stones that I keep in stock (eg 2k green brick, 8k Snow White, 10k and 12k Superstones, etc etc) as well as doing custom cutting. I also cut stones for the Wicked Edge and KME sharpeners and for custom applications. Also a wide range of Japanese naturals, some Arkansas and some European stones as well. Some of these are only available directly from me.

I am not cutting the Shapton GlassStones at this time. I was the first to cut them many years ago, but decided to cut the Pro stones instead. The Chocera stones on the CKTG site are not cut by me. They are the same thickness as the stones that you get directly from EdgePro directly.

The Chocera stones I cut are approximately twice the thickness - so you get more than twice the life out of the stone. This should help explain some price discrepancy. Similarly the Shapton Pro stones and all the Nubatamas are cut as thick or thicker than this. I carry the full line of Nubatama stones - all the Ume and Bamboo group for direct sales and CKTG has a subset of these. My products are a superset of the products that are available from my wholesale customers.

I also provide diamond lapping plates for the EP - both Atoma and DMT, with Atomas a first choice. I will now be stamping these stones with my stamp as well as there have been a few fakes put out there masquerading as my product.

In general if you see this stamp on a stone or other product you can be assured that I made (cut) it. Hope that helps with several of the points made in the discussion. Nubatama stones for the EP are stamped with their appropriate stamps and available only through me or my distributors. There are over 30 different Nubatama stones to choose from! All the Chocera grits and Shapton Pro grits are also available from 400-10k for Chocera and 120-30k for Shapton Pro.

I stand behind my products. My stamps are a mark of quality assurance. If you buy them directly from me OR through my vendors and have problems or questions, just get hold of me and I'll do my best to make you happy!

To the moderators - if this posting appears to be something you consider advertising or somehow inappropriate, please delete or edit it as you wish. It was written with the intent of being helpful and clarifying a few misconceptions to help people with their decisions.

---
Ken

If anyone wishes, I can post pictures of these or answer questions about them.

---
Ken

 

[Spey]

Also, if you have not yet, get yourself a jewelers loupe. Inspect entire edge, both sides throughout sharpening process and feel the edge with your fingers as comparison. It's amazing when you can see & feel what's going on, as your fingers begin to be able to see what's going on with the edge. That should progress into feeling whats going in while sharpening (when you are too steep or too shallow on the stone and/or the strop).

 

[Meast58]

So someone alerted me to this thread and a number of points deserve comments and clarifications.

Mark at Chefknivestogo:

Comments made by some people, mostly his competitors and a few malcontents being the exception - and usually quite inaccurate, I can unequivocally state that he doesn't have good customer service - He has EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD customer service! I consider his level of customer service something I can only strive to come close to and nothing his so called competition come close to. EASILY the best in the business! He has literally thousands of extremely satisfied customers out there and a very loyal following. He has his own forum and you can get excellent support from the community of mostly his customers there.

I cut stones for the EdgePro. These include Nubatamas, Shapton Pros, Choceras, Natural stones and several other stones that I keep in stock (eg 2k green brick, 8k Snow White, 10k and 12k Superstones, etc etc) as well as doing custom cutting. I also cut stones for the Wicked Edge and KME sharpeners and for custom applications. Also a wide range of Japanese naturals, some Arkansas and some European stones as well. Some of these are only available directly from me.

I am not cutting the Shapton GlassStones at this time. I was the first to cut them many years ago, but decided to cut the Pro stones instead. The Chocera stones on the CKTG site are not cut by me. They are the same thickness as the stones that you get directly from EdgePro directly.

The Chocera stones I cut are approximately twice the thickness - so you get more than twice the life out of the stone. This should help explain some price discrepancy. Similarly the Shapton Pro stones and all the Nubatamas are cut as thick or thicker than this. I carry the full line of Nubatama stones - all the Ume and Bamboo group for direct sales and CKTG has a subset of these. My products are a superset of the products that are available from my wholesale customers.

I also provide diamond lapping plates for the EP - both Atoma and DMT, with Atomas a first choice. I will now be stamping these stones with my stamp as well as there have been a few fakes put out there masquerading as my product.

In general if you see this stamp on a stone or other product you can be assured that I made (cut) it. Hope that helps with several of the points made in the discussion. Nubatama stones for the EP are stamped with their appropriate stamps and available only through me or my distributors. There are over 30 different Nubatama stones to choose from! All the Chocera grits and Shapton Pro grits are also available from 400-10k for Chocera and 120-30k for Shapton Pro.

I stand behind my products. My stamps are a mark of quality assurance. If you buy them directly from me OR through my vendors and have problems or questions, just get hold of me and I'll do my best to make you happy!

To the moderators - if this posting appears to be something you consider advertising or somehow inappropriate, please delete or edit it as you wish. It was written with the intent of being helpful and clarifying a few misconceptions to help people with their decisions.

---
Ken

If anyone wishes, I can post pictures of these or answer questions about them.

---
Ken

I really appreciate you taking the time write such an informative reply. You definitely answered many of the questions that have come up during this thread. I have only recently discovered Chef Knives To Go; I am very pleased to hear that it's an outstanding web-site with great customer service.
Thank-you again.

Meast58

 

[rlucius]

bodog:

What source did you use for your Chinese ADAEE stones?

Thanks

 

[bodog]

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[bodog]

I tried to look it up. I couldn't find a website named South American River. If you don't mind, could you post a link to the website?

Sorry man, was talking about amazon.

 

[bodog]

Here are two knives I used the congress stones on. Started with low grit ruby stones, followed by the moldmasters up to 400 grit, skipped the 600 because of how bad it disintegrates, went to the 800 grit super soft and finished with the highest grit I can find on their site which is 1200 grit super soft. I followed up with the same strops. If you look closely you can see these are cloudier than the edges formed from the ADAEE stones. Prior to the strops it's way more obvious. The polishing is really done with the strops. Off of the 1200 grit stones there's almost no reflection, off of the 2000 grit ADAEE stones there's already a slight mirror, albeit kind of rough. The real results show after the polishing is done on the strops, as seen in the pictures.

And again the ADAEE results for comparison

On the second photo I reprofiled that knife down to 8 degrees per side and followed up with a relief bevel at about 13 degrees per side which is why the bevel looks weird. I've been sharpening on that relief bevel for several months now so it's pretty well the whole bevel now.

The 8 degree bevel was set with the ADAEE stones and the 13 degree relief bevel was most recently sharpened with the congress stones. You can see the difference between the the two stones on that one knife edge if you blow the photo up and look close, especially by the word "lube" on the label.

 

[bodog]

Double post

 

[Meast58]

Sorry man, was talking about amazon.

Haha. Now I feel stupid. For some reason I didn't put those two together.

 

[Meast58]

Thanks for the pictures bodog.

 

[bodog]

Thanks for the pictures bodog.

You're welcome Mr Deeds.