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CHINESE Rip off TANGO Tim Britton.....Beware !
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This was my first thought. But really the issue is a legal matter. Its simply not their place to get involved even if it would appear that it is the right thing to do. Unfortunately having patents, trademarks and copyrights doesnt guarantee protection. You have to enforce them for them to really mean anything. And as much as people would love to take the guys to court that gets costly very quickly.
I dont want to get too political here being this is general knife chat BUT as long as China continues to permit illegal counterfeiting of our knifes and products I will never purchase their knives. I believe that they have a great potential for their own knife industry though.
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Tim, this isn't going to go over well but here it is.
You are obviously a very talented knifemaker. You use BG42 and used to use Vascowear when it was around. I recall seeing the old pitting marks still in the fixed blades you couldn't get all the way out on grinding. On the other hand you sold me my first ever "custom". A liner lock with a signed blade you told me was BG42. You had to adjust the linerlock before I left with it.
Imagine my surprise when I later saw it on the knife kits website with Aus 8 blades. It performs just like aus 8 too. I know why now.
It bothered me as you sure came across as a really great guy. I even talked to you ( and your wife I believe) about how you used to be a teacher. I enjoyed visiting with you.
I've seen some of your slip joints in BG42 and I am always impressed by your work. Then, I remember you selling a knife kits Aus 8 blade to me as BG42 so I wonder. I don't buy that many customs now. Not without knowing a lot more about the person, how he works, and more.
Sorry your IP got stolen. I don't think anyone deserves it. I do think people generally get out of what they put into life though.
Good luck in the future. I don't get to too many Dixie Gun & Knives at the fairgrounds anymore though as I'm disabled and the long lines don't agree with me. Perhaps I'll see you some day though. I'll show you the knife you sold me and maybe we can have a good laugh over it.
Joe
You are obviously a very talented knifemaker. You use BG42 and used to use Vascowear when it was around. I recall seeing the old pitting marks still in the fixed blades you couldn't get all the way out on grinding. On the other hand you sold me my first ever "custom". A liner lock with a signed blade you told me was BG42. You had to adjust the linerlock before I left with it.
Imagine my surprise when I later saw it on the knife kits website with Aus 8 blades. It performs just like aus 8 too. I know why now.
It bothered me as you sure came across as a really great guy. I even talked to you ( and your wife I believe) about how you used to be a teacher. I enjoyed visiting with you.
I've seen some of your slip joints in BG42 and I am always impressed by your work. Then, I remember you selling a knife kits Aus 8 blade to me as BG42 so I wonder. I don't buy that many customs now. Not without knowing a lot more about the person, how he works, and more.
Sorry your IP got stolen. I don't think anyone deserves it. I do think people generally get out of what they put into life though.
Good luck in the future. I don't get to too many Dixie Gun & Knives at the fairgrounds anymore though as I'm disabled and the long lines don't agree with me. Perhaps I'll see you some day though. I'll show you the knife you sold me and maybe we can have a good laugh over it.
Joe
Does that include knives made in China under the auspices of respected manufacturers? Or would you also refuse to purchase knives regardless of where they were made from a company who does any of its manufacturing in China? Just curious.
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Tim, this isn't going to go over well but here it is.
You are obviously a very talented knifemaker. You use BG42 and used to use Vascowear when it was around. I recall seeing the old pitting marks still in the fixed blades you couldn't get all the way out on grinding. On the other hand you sold me my first ever "custom". A liner lock with a signed blade you told me was BG42. You had to adjust the linerlock before I left with it.
Imagine my surprise when I later saw it on the knife kits website with Aus 8 blades. It performs just like aus 8 too. I know why now.
It bothered me as you sure came across as a really great guy. I even talked to you ( and your wife I believe) about how you used to be a teacher. I enjoyed visiting with you.
I've seen some of your slip joints in BG42 and I am always impressed by your work. Then, I remember you selling a knife kits Aus 8 blade to me as BG42 so I wonder. I don't buy that many customs now. Not without knowing a lot more about the person, how he works, and more.
Sorry your IP got stolen. I don't think anyone deserves it. I do think people generally get out of what they put into life though.
Good luck in the future. I don't get to too many Dixie Gun & Knives at the fairgrounds anymore though as I'm disabled and the long lines don't agree with me. Perhaps I'll see you some day though. I'll show you the knife you sold me and maybe we can have a good laugh over it.
Joe
That sort of rings a bell. I forgot he was one of these guys. Damn.
I fail to see how that situation has ANYTHING to do with this one. Even if there was issues with Mr. Brittons work It was over 5 years ago it has nothing to do with his intellectual property being taken. Honestly in none of the threads I have read about Mr. Britton has anyone provided hard evidence to support their suspicions. And even if there is that story had its day and I dont see how digging up dead horse skeletons and giving the bones a few more whacks adds to anything about the topic of this thread, even if those old stories are true.
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Just out of curiosity, what does this sentence mean? Specifically, this: "a SHOT being reped"
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I didn't tell the story, just said damn. Everybody's made mistakes, including our Chinese counterfeiters. Hopefully they will make things right.
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I'm going to nitpick, but what exactly is "illegal" about Chinese firearms? For the record Norincos have been banned from US import for a long time, so you can't even get new ones here anymore. Possessing a Norinco is perfectly legal. (And they were banned for purely political reasons - nothing to do with safety, AWB/NFA compliance, etc).
sorry I was more referencing his story and then when you had said you remembered the issue I just quoted your post when i should have quoted his. I wasnt trying to be a jerk. I just didnt understand how any of that was relevant to the topic. I remember reading those stories too. But I dont remember seeing any conclusive evidence to support either side of the argument and even further dont understand its relation to the issues in this thread. It seemed like a pot shot when the guy was all ready down.
I call b.s. on blade for this one. I mean, what the hell man? Tim Britton has been around forever, he has a good reputation and deserves at least a little bit of respect. Letting a counterfeiter have a booth at all is disgraceful, but letting them have one at the same show with the man They're stealing from is just low. And yes, this is theft. Pathetic.
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Hi Joe ! ever thought of contacting me direct ?? Unhappy with anything I make I'll replace it....no questions asked. Sometimes it's REALLY hard for a maker like me who uses many steels to keep them separate or remember when they come back from heat treat which blades are what. Lot easier now that I'm using bg42 and s35vn. in future, how about talking to me if you're unhappy. regards, Tim
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Latest on this company at SHOT.... I went by their booth and saw some nice work. Owner wasn't available....guess he had heard that I had US Customs/Homeland Security stopping by to check him out for US copyright violation, selling knives made in CHINA but not marked, and a reported failure to pay GA State sales tax for 2012 (they had a table at Blade in 2012). Guess what bothers me the most is that BLADE management (Joe Kertzman and Steve Shackleford) are welcoming them back in 2014 with an even better booth location. They seem to be afraid of a lawsuit ????? Wonder what they would say if someone was wanting a booth to sell cocaine....or to sell knives made by slaves in Bangaladesh ?
I think you may be talking about the pic that was taken by me at the Taipei knife show, not the US Blade show. 
I have seen a few different ripped off designes at the US Blade show. I saw at least 3 "high profile" copies that had words exchanged either then or after but again it seems little was/will be done in the grand scheme.
I have seen a few different ripped off designes at the US Blade show. I saw at least 3 "high profile" copies that had words exchanged either then or after but again it seems little was/will be done in the grand scheme.
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Hi, All:
This is David from Kizer Cutlery.
We wanted to announce ourselves and let you know that we were made aware of this thread and similar threads on other forums as well. We are not ignoring the posts and we will be responding to them. First allow me to make two statement:
1) Regarding the main issue of knife design:
Kizer Cutlery neither copy other's designs nor use any designs without the original maker's express consent!
2) Regarding the name of the company:
Kizer Cutlery is a division of TBT, which is the parent company. Kizer was the brand we are using for the tactical knives lines. This is why you see TBT and Kizer sometimes used interchangeably. It depends on which name the accounting dept uses when making reservations for the convention.
Since this thread was started by Mr. Britton, I have sent an email to Mr. Britton about his claims and I'm waiting for Tim to respond (by EOD 6/25/2013).
Once I have a response from Tim (or lack thereof), I will post more on this topic.
In the meantime, please feel free to contact me with any questions you have:
email : kizer@tbt-gd.com (to make it easier on me, please indicate the forum (bladeforum, knifeforum, etc) and your forum handle)
PM: I will be upgrading the membership soon and will be able to receive/send PM.
Thanks.
David
This is David from Kizer Cutlery.
We wanted to announce ourselves and let you know that we were made aware of this thread and similar threads on other forums as well. We are not ignoring the posts and we will be responding to them. First allow me to make two statement:
1) Regarding the main issue of knife design:
Kizer Cutlery neither copy other's designs nor use any designs without the original maker's express consent!
2) Regarding the name of the company:
Kizer Cutlery is a division of TBT, which is the parent company. Kizer was the brand we are using for the tactical knives lines. This is why you see TBT and Kizer sometimes used interchangeably. It depends on which name the accounting dept uses when making reservations for the convention.
Since this thread was started by Mr. Britton, I have sent an email to Mr. Britton about his claims and I'm waiting for Tim to respond (by EOD 6/25/2013).
Once I have a response from Tim (or lack thereof), I will post more on this topic.
In the meantime, please feel free to contact me with any questions you have:
email : kizer@tbt-gd.com (to make it easier on me, please indicate the forum (bladeforum, knifeforum, etc) and your forum handle)
PM: I will be upgrading the membership soon and will be able to receive/send PM.
Thanks.
David
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