Chisel Grind Performance vs Conventional V Grind??

Stabbing tip first into the phone book, tip thickness and shape being the same I think it would be very close. I too would like to see it maybe someone will demonstrate...
Lycosa said:
I still would like to see a real test, with a phone book, using the same knife, one V ground and one chisel ground. Would the chisel grind penetrate easier than the V?
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gsnorm said:
Using the Wicked Edge, I just recently reprofiled my Super CQC8 to a 40 degree inclusive v-grind. A mirror polish edge on both sides of a black blade looks pretty good, and it slices pretty good too.
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I bet it turned it into one hell of a knife. Pity that the warranty is now void.
 
Tripton said:
I bet it turned it into one hell of a knife. Pity that the warranty is now void.
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According to EmersonRep, that is not the case.
Reprofiling the primary grind voids the warranty.
Sharpening the edge to a "V" does not.
 
stabman said:
According to EmersonRep, that is not the case.
Reprofiling the primary grind voids the warranty.
Sharpening the edge to a "V" does not.
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Well, that is new. I know that I have read that it voids the warranty in multiple places in the forum.
 
Whattya mean parasitic drag has no effect on performance in self defense???? That's not what my sensei says!

I do own an Arclite, which has a combo edge, in chisel grind, and it is a lovely little knife. But I do often reach for something else. Also Spyderco's Spyderedge is chisel ground, and they cut like a bitch. But I am still looking to add more plain edges, V ground, to my collection.
 
What does your sensei say about it? I'm interested to know how it will "perform" better than a v grind...Will it stab deeper? Slice deeper? Any test to back it up? Once the tip of the knife has broken skin how does parasitic drag effect the depth at which the blade will sink if edge shape and thickness are the same? Are you taking swords or knives...I wasn't aware Japanese weapons were chisel ground I thoutht it was mainly for wood work. I would think a chisel grind would be at a disadvantage on large slicers weapons because it would veer to one side as it enters material were as a v grind will cut straight...giving more control to the one holding the weapon. Did you watch the video? Chisel grinds are designed to plane material off the surface not slice through deeply.......hence the wood chisel lol
numbersman said:
Whattya mean parasitic drag has no effect on performance in self defense???? That's not what my sensei says!

I do own an Arclite, which has a combo edge, in chisel grind, and it is a lovely little knife. But I do often reach for something else. Also Spyderco's Spyderedge is chisel ground, and they cut like a bitch. But I am still looking to add more plain edges, V ground, to my collection.
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Most Japanese blade were V grind. Only a few were chisel.
And the material being cut back then was flesh and leather armor. Either blade easily did it's job.
As I said before, the yoroi toshi was a specialized blade meant to smash through the leather armor more easily.
 
m woodley said:
...what has been your real world experience?
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Alas, my chisel grind knives often end up as safe queens or used for self defense purposes. The reason? Because the chisel grinds are made for looks. I'm right handed, but the grinds are most often found on the left side of the blade. This means that if cutting wood or similar materials, the edge can't find purchase because the grind is slipping all over the surface of what I'm trying to cut! Only by turning the blade over to where I'm using it left-handed can it bite into the material. But then I lose control because I'm right-handed. CRKT knives are especially problematic when a chisel-grind knife is used.
 
I thought most Japanese weapons were v grinds... it seems they use chisel grinds for wood work and culinary uses. From what I've read there main weapons do not have a chisel grind as its better in the kitchen and wood than on flesh. And if any ethnic group is known for edged weapons it is the Japanese. These grinds were discussing aren't new if chisel ground weapons were superior they would have been used as such. But they were not.. chisel grind is for wood. Does it fillet a fish like no other hell yea but it isn't and wasn't created for weapons. That said a sharp stick or toothbrush filed on a rock can be used as weapons. Taking something and using it for uses that it wasn't intended for is fine but Japanese history don't lie v grinds are what katanas and main killing weapons have.
 
shinyedges said:
I wasn't aware Japanese weapons were chisel ground
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It is more common in southeast Asian weapons than Japanese weapons.

These guys are Flilipino, both right handed.

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Did you read my first sentence.^ Most Japanese blades were V ground.
re: yoroi toshi. It's chisel-shaped tip was designed to punch/stab a wound channel larger than the blade's following cross section."
From the book, Tanto, by Russ Maynard.
 
Very cool, i don't know much about Filipinos I wonder why that never caught on anywhere else.
Sam Cade said:
It is more common in southeast Asian weapons than Japanese weapons.

These guys are Flilipino, both right handed.

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Yea I read it. I was saying I thought so... lol letters don't come across well. That's kind of my point actually if the chisel were better it would be used as such. But it isn't and wasn't and never will... but if having it on a folding knife makes you feel better than by all means get what you like but saying its better as a weapon simply isn't true.
Lycosa said:
Did you read my first sentence.^ Most Japanese blades were V ground.
re: yoroi toshi. It's chisel-shaped tip was designed to punch/stab a wound channel larger than the blade's following cross section."
From the book, Tanto, by Russ Maynard.
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what time period? are you saying all throughout south east asia uses chisel grind swords? lol except japan hmmm
 
Well enlighten me on these chisel grind swords that never made it to the samurai...

1. I asked what time period and you said the "beginning" are you referring to the start of time? beginning of what? And what countries are you speaking of all through out south east asia? names please dont be vague

2.Do you live in these said countries currently? how are these countries "all through out" south east asia using these chisel grind swords? as primary weapons? in place of a machete?

3. Where are you getting your information id like to check it out...
Sam Cade said:
From the beginning, till now. :D

The weapons I posted in #112 aren't ancient.



To some degree,yes.



Japan isn't in southeast asia. ;)
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