Chisel Grind Performance vs Conventional V Grind??

hmm no magic properties granted for stabbing because chisel grind.. interesting lol
 
What i find interesting is how easily people buy into the marketing, its seems like marketing overrides logic.. or common sense.. or both lol
marcinek said:
It WAS insignificant until everybody started using flux capacitors to enhance the laminar flow of the carbides. Since then, you gotta be The Hulk to overcome that drag and stab anybody with anything other than a chisel grind.

Really, if your dedicated SD knife isn't a chisel, you are going to die. That's not marketing hype, that's proven by science.
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I can just hear Butthead telling Beavis "He said parasitic drag...that was cool!" in one of their skits...

Not calling anyone Beavis nor Butthead, mind you, it's just what was in my head.

Ok, I'll be quiet now.
 
shinyedges said:
What i find interesting is how easily people buy into the marketing, its seems like marketing overrides logic.. or common sense.. or both lol
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That's Marketing's job! The knife industry is a business that uses Marketing to sell products. Nothing wrong with that. Just gotta keep in mind that there is some hooey out there.
 
Those who cant tell the hooey are what people used to call gullible, but nowadays its called group think.. disclaimer not insulting anyone
marcinek said:
That's Marketing's job! The knife industry is a business that uses Marketing to sell products. Nothing wrong with that. Just gotta keep in mind that there is some hooey out there.
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I have personally owned 2 chisel ground knives. A emerson cqc 7 and a cqc 8. I sold them both shortly after getting them because I didn't like the cutting performance for a edc knife. They were cool for a tactical knife but I even have knife fighting experience and a folder leaves too much of a error factor for me to be comfortable. A folder to me is only as good as it slices. When I got 40$ knives that slice better than 200$ Emersons I just Dont see the point. And a fixed blade makes a better self defense blade IMO.
 
The idea of a Tactical folder is cool but for soldiers it will never replace a fixed blade. A folder is pretty low on the list of items for defense for soldiers and the like.. I mean i guess if there fixed blade breaks after there rifle and pistol fail it all boils down to the folder lol as for offense with a blade for silence navy seals using a folding knife over a fixed blade? I doubt that highly. No matter which way you figure it people who use there knives in life or death use fixed blades. I think every one should carry what ever they like, but saying a chisel grind is better because of parasitic drag in self defense is silly imo. All boils down to personal preference and what make YOU FEEL better when its in your pocket. my 2cents
Sir Hammer said:
I have personally owned 2 chisel ground knives. A emerson cqc 7 and a cqc 8. I sold them both shortly after getting them because I didn't like the cutting performance for a edc knife. They were cool for a tactical knife but I even have knife fighting experience and a folder leaves too much of a error factor for me to be comfortable. A folder to me is only as good as it slices. When I got 40$ knives that slice better than 200$ Emersons I just Dont see the point. And a fixed blade makes a better self defense blade IMO.
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Is it possible to change a chisel grind to a double edged grind ? If it is possible , what would be the simplest grind to convert to ? I would greatly appreciate any advice .
 
I have had no problems with a chisel ground blade. I have a CQC-7 and mini commander, no problems. Think of this, I carry a benchmade rescue hook that I used on duty ALOT its chisel ground and have had no performance problems. I have full serrated spydercos and they are chisel ground, I don't hear people complaing about control with those.
 
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lionknife said:
Is it possible to change a chisel grind to a double edged grind ? If it is possible , what would be the simplest grind to convert to ? I would greatly appreciate any advice .
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I had my Emerson CQC8 sharpened with a paper wheel to put a bevel on the flat side of the blade. It is not totally flat like a CQC7 blade is, but a V grind from the factory.

I don't think it cuts any better than the chisel grind on my Super Commander or my CQC15, so I have not/will not have a secondary bevel put on those. It would only cost me $3.50 to do so at my local knife shop, but since I find no inherent advantage I will not be doing so.

I am left handed, however, maybe that has something to do with it after reading this thread.
 
shinyedges said:
The idea of a Tactical folder is cool but for soldiers it will never replace a fixed blade. A folder is pretty low on the list of items for defense for soldiers and the like.. I mean i guess if there fixed blade breaks after there rifle and pistol fail it all boils down to the folder lol as for offense with a blade for silence navy seals using a folding knife over a fixed blade? I doubt that highly. No matter which way you figure it people who use there knives in life or death use fixed blades. I think every one should carry what ever they like, but saying a chisel grind is better because of parasitic drag in self defense is silly imo. All boils down to personal preference and what make YOU FEEL better when its in your pocket. my 2cents
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I agree with that. Things are only with what people are willing to pay for them right. For a folder u wouldn't ever want a chisel grind nor would I ever think it was worth the cost
 
I own a couple of CQC-7 knives and have found that they perform very well once you have developed the muscle memory to make straight cuts. Are they better overall than a 'V' ground edge? Probably not, but they sure feel sharper when all you want to do is part material.
 
lionknife said:
Is it possible to change a chisel grind to a double edged grind ? If it is possible , what would be the simplest grind to convert to ? I would greatly appreciate any advice .
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Using the Wicked Edge, I just recently reprofiled my Super CQC8 to a 40 degree inclusive v-grind. A mirror polish edge on both sides of a black blade looks pretty good, and it slices pretty good too.
 
gsnorm said:
Using the Wicked Edge, I just recently reprofiled my Super CQC8 to a 40 degree inclusive v-grind. A mirror polish edge on both sides of a black blade looks pretty good, and it slices pretty good too.
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Thanks gsnorm . I own a Wicked Edge , your advice will help .
 
Probably the best video on this subject looking into the maths and reality.

[video=youtube;SuAEGXvKeD0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAEGXvKeD0[/video]
 
Great vdo.
I do believe that Phill Hartsfield said that both grinds, when done correctly, perform the same.
 
This is factoring another input but I have a budget Cara Cara 2 that I purchased for its combo edge. I did t realize that it was chisel ground until it came to me.

It's used mainly for yard work and clearing things like thick creeper vines. Overall the chisel grind combo edge excels at the task and so far only very thin edged knives like Opinel's output it at these tasks. Edge retention and resharpening/honing is as expected for 8cr13mov.

PS I have used this k if for yard work and camping primarily so I can't speak to how well it works as an edc through actual use.
 
marthinus said:
Probably the best video on this subject looking into the maths and reality.

[video=youtube;SuAEGXvKeD0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuAEGXvKeD0[/video]
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Great video!

Thanks for offering it up here. No matter this guy's rather thick accent, he certainly makes his points very clear.
 
agreed very informative video, other than shaving material off the surface a chisel has no advantage over v grind and is cheaper for the manufacturer. I love when hard facts get presented, its hard to deny mathematics.
 
I still would like to see a real test, with a phone book, using the same knife, one V ground and one chisel ground. Would the chisel grind penetrate easier than the V?
 
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