Chisel Grind Performance vs Conventional V Grind??

shinyedges said:
beginning of what?
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Metal tool use, obviously.

shinyedges said:
And what countries are you speaking of all through out south east asia? names please dont be vague
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You want a list of the nations of Southeast Asia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia

shinyedges said:
2.Do you live in these said countries currently? how are these countries "all through out" south east asia using these chisel grind swords? as primary weapons? in place of a machete?
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Nope.

The swords would presumably be used for the normal sword tasks, killing or threatening folks and as ceremonial objects.

shinyedges said:
in place of a machete?
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Asymmetrically ground agricultural choppers are much more common than weapons. Even in Japan.
Tsukasa_Nokaij_Nata1.jpg


shinyedges said:
3. Where are you getting your information id like to check it out...
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Start here:
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/

Then get some books from either your local library or your favored online retailer.

Your local university should have free journal acess (JSTOR etc) if you really want to get into minutiae.
 
So let me get this straight you can NOT tell me what countries are using these chisel grind swords since the "beginning" and are currently still using? lol you make a bold statement and have zero info to back it up. I asked you to not be vague but clearly you dont know what your taking about. come back when you have some real info thanks. also the item you posted a picture of is NOT a sword lol
Sam Cade said:
Metal tool use, obviously.



You want a list of the nations of Southeast Asia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia


Nope.

The swords would presumably be used for the normal sword tasks, killing or threatening folks and as ceremonial objects.


Asymmetrically ground agricultural choppers are much more common than weapons. Even in Japan.
Tsukasa_Nokaij_Nata1.jpg




Start here:
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/

Then get some books from either your local library or your favored online retailer.

Your local university should have free journal acess (JSTOR etc) if you really want to get into minutiae.
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shinyedges said:
So let me get this straight you can NOT tell me what countries are using these chisel grind swords since the "beginning" and are currently still using? lol you make a bold statement and have zero info to back it up. I asked you to not be vague but clearly you dont know what your taking about. come back when you have some real info thanks. also the item you posted a picture of is NOT a sword lol
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Err whut?

So it seems that neither reading comprehension or rhetoric is your strong suit.

That is fine, I still love you.
 
From John Yumoto's book, The Samurai Sword.
kata-kira-ba and kata-shinogi, both chisel ground blades, were used by Samurai.
 
I never said chisel grind was not used, i said "most" were v grinds which they were... correct?
 
I asked specific questions that you did not answer.. whats not to understand? It seems your the one who cant comprehend what your reading lol its ok i still love you
Sam Cade said:
Err whut?

So it seems that neither reading comprehension or rhetoric is your strong suit.

That is fine, I still love you.
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Ladies and gentlemen, let's discuss the topic, not each other. Trollish bickering back-and-forth serves no purpose, and it's exactly what gets useful threads locked.
 
That video had some merit, but was mostly stupid. It doesn't account for proper application and the behaviour of the material being cut when the blade goes through it.

"Believe me because I know i'm right" ? Really?
 
We need a test.
A mechanic recently told me that so many ideas look great on paper but not so good in the garage. And, he was a former engineer.
rolf
 
When you are slicing or cutting a piece off a larger piece, a chisel grind will be more efficient. Deli slicers, bulk paper cutters, are chisel ground and their application is where "parasitic drag" comes into play in the fact that only one side of the blade exerts force to part the material. The flat side doesn't push anything away, minimizing "parasitic drag". Slice a piece of sashimi from a larger piece of fish, and you'll find that a straighter cut is made with less effort when using a chisel ground yanagi ba than a v-ground slicer.

However, if you want to split firewood, whittle, chop vegetables, etc. the v-grind works great.
 
Lycosa said:
We need a test.
A mechanic recently told me that so many ideas look great on paper but not so good in the garage. And, he was a former engineer.
rolf
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Great thread with allot of information and opinions...

I agree with Rolf here...A test would be beneficial..
 
gooeytek said:
When you are slicing or cutting a piece off a larger piece, a chisel grind will be more efficient. Deli slicers, bulk paper cutters, are chisel ground and their application is where "parasitic drag" comes into play in the fact that only one side of the blade exerts force to part the material. The flat side doesn't push anything away, minimizing "parasitic drag". Slice a piece of sashimi from a larger piece of fish, and you'll find that a straighter cut is made with less effort when using a chisel ground yanagi ba than a v-ground slicer.

However, if you want to split firewood, whittle, chop vegetables, etc. the v-grind works great.
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Precisely. Paring cuts from a pre-determined side --> chisel grind is best. Deep cuts in material or when cuts must be made directionally at-will --> symmetrical grind is best.
 
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