Chopper compilation thread!

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chiral.grolim said:
Yeah, the "talon hole" is a registered trademark of Busse Knives. They can sue makers for using it. I think that they ignore one-off's but American producers (and even custom makers on this forum) have been compelled to stop using it when Busse finds out about it. *shrug*
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Yep, Busse can try to sue, but he won't win. He may have a "trademark" on the hole, but as it serves a functional purpose(It's "useful"), it's not covered under Trademark law...

A trademark doesn't automatically mean "enforceable". :rolleyes:
 
Posted this elsewhere today, so may as well do so here.
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These are my favorite (non-axe) choppers. When Bark River come out with a 3V version of their golok, I will pick one up, but otherwise I think I'm pretty well covered.
 
gytheran said:
Yep, Busse can try to sue, but he won't win. He may have a "trademark" on the hole, but as it serves a functional purpose(It's "useful"), it's not covered under Trademark law...

A trademark doesn't automatically mean "enforceable". :rolleyes:
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Spyderco's thumb-hole also serves a functional purpose, but it is a registered trademark and no maker can use it without receiving a legal license from Spyderco to do so, like Benchmade has, otherwise they face legal action.

And you are right, a trademark does not automatically mean "enforceable", which is why companies that register trademarks tend to be pretty aggressive about what is theirs ;)
 
chiral.grolim said:
Spyderco's thumb-hole also serves a functional purpose, but it is a registered trademark and no maker can use it without receiving a legal license from Spyderco to do so, like Benchmade has, otherwise they face legal action.

And you are right, a trademark does not automatically mean "enforceable", which is why companies that register trademarks tend to be pretty aggressive about what is theirs ;)
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Trademark law doesn't cover "trademarks" that are deemed "functional". They may try to enforce it, but it won't hold up in court... It's completely outside of the intended purpose of trademark law... In the end it's just a scare tactic used to keep people from borrowing functional aspects of their knives.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Speaking of choppers, I like the looks of this F. Dick "Italien Chopper" chopper on your website.
It looks like you are the only dealer for it anywhere.
Is this correct?
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Nope--I'm not the only one carrying it. Just the only shop that isn't a mega-corp culinary industry supply establishment, and the only one inspecting them and offering edge conversion. F. Dick isn't very widely distributed in the US (probably because of their name--they're very nice knives!) and the "Italien Messer" (literal translation "Italy knife") is a specialty item that even fewer carry. The original intended purpose is as a professional/industrial cleaver so the edge that comes on it is fairly obtuse for chopping bone, but when you thin it out it chops wood VERY nicely. The style isn't limited to Italy (as the name F. Dick gave it implies) but are also used in Switzerland, Portugal, France, and other areas of Europe. I've even seen vintage two-handed beef splitters of that pattern! I'm having some sheaths done up for them by JRE Industries in the style of a traditional German hunting trousse with a 4" petty knife piggybacked to the front. At 2.5 pounds they're a bit much for a belt, so two D-rings are on the backside for the attachment of a baldric. :)
 
I've had several F. Dick knives fo culinary use since the late 70's, I think I still have a large (10") curved butcher knife.
I still use their various butcher's steels.
I've never seen that chopper and when I google it you are the only one coming up for that model. :thumbup:
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I can't honestly say what specific steel they use, as the company themselves doesn't specify (I'll need to ask their US distribution center to see if they know)--whatever it is it takes a VERY nice edge and magnets stick to it as strong as if it were a plain carbon steel. The handle as it comes stock has the edges pretty crisply defined and they're made of a fiber reinforced nylon material that's softer than the FRN we're all used to seeing on knives, but still quite firm. It shapes very easily with a file so you can take the extra material off to tailor it to your hand size and preferences and 600 grit sandpaper buffs it right up to the point where you can't tell where work was done.

I can honestly say that F. Dick has kicked my Victorinox knives out of the kitchen. I've been using their ProDynamic 3" paring knife and ErgoGrip "extra wide trimming knife" for just about everything in the kitchen. When processing out meat rabbits I've been using their ErgoGrip "poultry and rabbit knife" for the bleeding, skinning, and gutting and their 5" stiff angled boning knife (also ErgoGrip) for all of the trimming and breaking work once I get the carcass inside.

They're also one of the only companies that makes true steels (not diamond) in oval form, as well as polished ungrooved steels in both round and oval. I plan on getting one of their massive MultiCut steels to see what all that's about--looks to be a very interesting maintenance tool!

Here are some more pics of the "Italien Messer"--all were taken before doing any modification, so this is how it looks stock. :)

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Here's mine, a Tim Olt custom in A2 and 5460 year old Bog Oak scales.

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Baryonyx, very cool pictures. That blade is so mirror-polished it looks like it's got some sort of science fiction stealth device!
 
MassMatt said:
Baryonyx, very cool pictures. That blade is so mirror-polished it looks like it's got some sort of science fiction stealth device!
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Thanks! It's funny, too, because in person there's still a very faint light scratch pattern to it but to see it you have to look at the right angle. Wouldn't take much work with some polishing compound and a soft cloth to bring it up to glassy perfection. I worked a short stint as an assistant metal fabricator at a yacht company doing a LOT of mirror polishing and let me tell you--it's a lot of work! I can really appreciate a full mirror polish like that. It's actually kind of insane that they're able to put out a chopper that big in stainless with that level of finish AND distal taper for so small an asking price. And made in Germany, no less! :eek::thumbup:
 
Dang! And I thought the chopper I posted was heavy at 2.5! How thick is that? :eek:
 
andico99 said:
That monster right there is the XL MUKTI Redemption designed by Mr. Frank Gonazles, now made by Khukuri House.
whopping 4.5pound of pure mayhem
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Thanks! It's too awesome and I can imagine is quite effective at chopping... :D;)

Threads like this one are why I'm on Bladeforums; choppers rule!
 
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