Chris Reeve Green Beret Video Desrtuction Test Completed

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actually, I think it's ran soft because somehow (some carbon carbide destribution crap) it makjes the knife more stain resistent?
and apperently, they're just sitting in drawers (just kidding justkidding!) so thats worth more than toughness and edge holding.
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The Sebenza steel is way more rust resistant than the strider S30V. I have done tests with both and the strider will rust very easy as where the sebenza wont even get small spots from 10x the exposure
 
I think it's silly not to buy a CRK just because of a destruction test. I think the tests have merit and I have no problem with Noss doing them. But guys I think that things need to be kept in perspective. I don't buy knives for their concrete cutting ability.;):p:cool:
 
Kaizen1 said:
I remember a couple of years back some, guy with the initials CS ;) mentioned that the Green Beret was run soft and overall was a fairly poor design. The designer then came on the thread and proceeded to attempt to rip him a new one. I'm not saying that CS's and Noss's experiences are in fact the definitive statements attesting to the weakness of the design, I'm just pointing out what this reminds me of.

Thanks for the test Noss and thanks for continually contributing to these forums in this way. I think you've save these forums from endless debates of "what if" scenarios.
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In all honesty that guy had a way of rubbing people the wrong way with his words. And I would be surprised if the designer of a knife would not defend his design, at least the first time around.

This thread may have been so much of an duplicate of that old one that Mr. Harsey won't be coming over but Im sure he is very aware of this.
 
I've batoned a knife made from a file into wood before, using a claw hammer. There was no damage to the edge that I remember. No, the file was not case hardened, and yes the spine and handle had been softened. The edge was left at the same hardness as the original file, which was HRc 64 after the teeth were ground off. I dont consider this abuse, as it was more of a test to see if the knife could take it, and if so, to give a good beater knife for the shop. The edge profile was quite robust, and I'd hate to think of sharpening it without a belt sander, but it worked as intended.

Bring on the real world tests, like 90 degree flexes, and rock climbing hand holds. Noss, if you take the knife out of your garage and baton it through a 6" tree, thats much more of a real world test:D.
 
CRK has quite a following like many and as expected this poor performance has people agitated. There would have been much agitation if Busse’s BM had failed in the same manner.

Noss’s tests provide you with an idea of what kind of abuse a knife can take and from there you can pick and choose the best knife for your needs. Some people are fair weather campers and some are rough weather campers pick your gear accordingly.

No I don’t buy a knife for it’s concrete cutting ability either. I buy knives based on what I will be using them for and where I will be carrying them.

I don’t buy labels, a $24 pair of jeans will wear the same as a $150 pair of designer jeans. My Casio keeps the same time as a Rolex. If you want a $300 CRK knife then by all means buy one just don’t expect it to be a rough weather knife. It’s not a “Bad” knife it’s just not meant to perform at a Busse level.
 
PatriotDan said:
Wow, still in one piece with huge chunks missing! For D2 that I've always thought as too brittle for a beater that is just a testament to the Busse heat treat. And that D2 can excel in heavy duty functions too. :thumbup:
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A little clean up with the belt sander and your good to go...:thumbup:
 
Just to give a very rough idea of the forces caused by a hammer blow:

2 lb hammer
going 30 mph (?)
impact time of 5 milliseconds (??)

Those numbers for an impact are like hanging a 550 lb weight at the point of impact.
I am pulling those numbers out of the, ummm, air. I really thought it would be higher, but I have no idea about impact time.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/impulse.html#c4

The stress is also proportional to the distance away from the vice the spine is hit.

That busse looks like it was batoned into something hard - To me that is more of a test to see how the edge holds up - the spine there will be in compression (vertically )at the spine, instead of the spine being in tension (horizontally) in Noss's. On the Busse the failure is probably more likely to start at the edge, in Noss's at the spine. They are both extreme, for sure.
 
SubaruSTi said:
The Sebenza steel is way more rust resistant than the strider S30V. I have done tests with both and the strider will rust very easy as where the sebenza wont even get small spots from 10x the exposure
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i think this has more to do with the finish of the steel. striders tend to be beadblasted which rusts easier. doesn't all s30v come from crucible?
 
Broos said:
That busse looks like it was batoned into something hard - To me that is more of a test to see how the edge holds up - the spine there will be in compression (vertically )at the spine, instead of the spine being in tension (horizontally) in Noss's. On the Busse the failure is probably more likely to start at the edge, in Noss's at the spine. They are both extreme, for sure.
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If the GB would have actually made it that far as other knives have, I am sure Noss would have hammered the GB edge first into something hard as well. The knives that have held up well have been tested both ways as you can see in his videos. The problem is that the GB never got to those test, which is really the point here. I have the feeling that many of the critics here have not actually watched Noss's test of the Battle Mistress, so they lack a point of reference.
 
after reading multible posts on this subject, its obvious chris reeves does not make sub-par products, however a $300.00 knife should not be out done by a $50.00 knife both advertised for the same user purpose.
 
Bors said:
CRK has quite a following like many and as expected this poor performance has people agitated. There would have been much agitation if Busse’s BM had failed in the same manner.
I don’t buy labels, a $24 pair of jeans will wear the same as a $150 pair of designer jeans. My Casio keeps the same time as a Rolex. If you want a $300 CRK knife then by all means buy one just don’t expect it to be a rough weather knife. It’s not a “Bad” knife it’s just not meant to perform at a Busse level.
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i'm not convinced that the ones who don't agree with the "tests" are just angry crk fans. i believe most are ppl who just don't agree with the tests themselves. noss received the same responses when his first test was posted on the forums.
also i think you mean to say... if you want to buy this particular crk knife for $300. then buy one but don't expect it to be a "rough weather knife"
 
a2d2 said:
i'm not convinced that the ones who don't agree with the "tests" are just angry crk fans. i believe most are ppl who just don't agree with the tests themselves. noss received the same responses when his first test was posted on the forums.
also i think you mean to say... if you want to buy this particular crk knife for $300. then buy one but don't expect it to be a "rough weather knife"
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You may be right.

Yes, I did mean that particular knife thanks for clarifying that...:o
 
Evil Eye Earl said:
What does this have to do with destroying knives....rivets are made to bend
without breaking ....most people use an air hammer and dolly.
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well you go back to your original thing you said you was wondering about was " Work hardening the hammer" or did you forget two posts later?
 
Lycosa said:
I wonder what the results would have been with A-2? Has Noss ever tested custom knives? Remember, this is insane abuse of a knife.
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Yes, he has tested a few Busse's. You can find those tests on YouTube as well. They did VERY well too, I might add.
 
I look at it this way, it's not only testing it's entertainment. I appreciate the work he goes to so I can enjoy it sitting on my butt.

I'm curious about how A2 would work too. I sent a small sum to Noss to help in picking something up for testing. If anyone is curious about A2 why not send him a few bucks to help?
 
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