Classified Rant, I can't hold back any longer...

RkyMtn

RkyMtn

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What is with all the LNIB subject lines in threads and then all the descriptions indicating all the wear. Like new means NO WEAR....

And IB means "in box", so I expect the knife comes with the box, at the very least.

I'm surprised the Moderators don't critique this stuff. I might as well sell all my user knives as NIB.

(Sigh)...... I'm still irritated.
 
I get it...... Its either "new in the box" or it isn't.

"like new in the box" means used..... period.
 
Like a "stock" vehicle listing that continues with all the aftermarket parts!

A listing I see with LNIB indicates not new, but possibly in good shape..."like new" is pretty subjective.
 
So let's see....to me like new does not mean new. New is factory new. Like new since it is not new must have some distinguishing features to make it like new rather than new. I don't expect a like new knife to be a new knife.

FWIW this stuff is always subjective to some extent. That's why it's important to see photos. If there are minor rub marks and some scratching it should not be called like new. I like "used but not abused."

The mods can't micromanage every message and inspect every sale for accuracy.

Mike
 
Like new in the box to me means as if it had been taken out of the box opened once or twice and than re sold.
 
I admit, I AM seeing a lot of that poor salesmanship lately. I love how people will list out all the ways the knife is damaged or shows signs of obvious use, and then states: "but other than that, this knife is like new!!!"
 
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Pay no attention to acronyms. They are meaningless. Pay attention to the description and the pictures. If these two things don't satisfy your comfort level with the transaction you have three options. 1) Ask questions or for more/better pics. 2) Take a risk and buy it anyway. 3) Move along. Obviously option 3 is the least risky as there is no risk. Option 1 could allow someone else to provide an unconditional "I'll take it" and you could lose the sale. Also, with option 1, if the person didn't bother enough to describe the item or take proper pictures the first time around, what makes you think the requested information will be of any further value? Either way, option one is a risk unless you don't buy the item. Option 2 is the most risky.

It comes down to risk. Buying used knives is risky no matter what. And yes, if you don't buy from a reputable dealer, no matter the description or acronym you are buying a used knife. All you can do when playing this game is mitigate the risk. Be smart. Use paypal correctly. And know that you are taking a risk. Things usually work out if you are carefully. Not willing to take the risk? Then don't play the game.

And the mods don't want to get involved in dictating how people describe their knives any more than we want to get screwed by a poor description. Way too many variables and way too much risk. They are not getting paid to do this stuff. They do modding to help out and for the fun of the hobby. I don't think BFC wants to be in the market as a quasi knife broker.

But yes, I do love it when some one says NIB but it has this or that scratch or problem.
 
I've seen LNIB followed up by, "no box" included in description for the same knife.
 
LNIB should mean only one thing - Its condition is precisely as it would be if purchased new from a dealer - period.
 
Welcome too the NORM of the NEWER Sellers in BF as of lately--Even a few folks that have been
here a bit and ""KNOW BETTER""

DO YOUR HOMEWORK...
Ask for up close pictures.
Sent to your personal email
Ask for references..
ASK for better descriptions
Not saying you where not taken advantage of..
NOT in the least..
Never pay with GIFT PayPal.. (side note)
BE PRO active..
The Moderators do their best to POLICE in here..
I applaud them for their selfless help in doing their best to keep
this place safe...AND a HOME for many...
 
Technically, lnib is a nib item previously sold from a retailer. The only difference in the two is one is sold at retail and the other a private party. There should be no differences in condition. Not carried,sharpened,cleaned, lubed etc. something "mint" should be similar condition but may have been handled,cleaned and lubed played with but not appear used no handling marks or scratches. Now this isn't official, I didn't research anything but imo more in line with the definitions intention. I believe what I've seen posted in a lot of ads tend to be poorly described
 
TOMBSTONE said:
Technically, lnib is a nib item previously sold from a retailer. The only difference in the two is one is sold at retail and the other a private party. There should be no differences in condition. Not carried,sharpened,cleaned, lubed etc. something "mint" should be similar condition but may have been handled,cleaned and lubed played with but not appear used no handling marks or scratches. Now this isn't official, I didn't research anything but imo more in line with the definitions intention. I believe what I've seen posted in a lot of ads tend to be poorly described
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HappyDaddy said:
LNIB should mean only one thing - Its condition is precisely as it would be if purchased new from a dealer - period.
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Quiet said:
I admit, I AM seeing a lot of that poor salesmanship lately. I love how people will list out all the ways the knife is damaged or shows signs of obvious use, and then states: "but other than that, this knife is like new!!!"
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155440 said:
Like new in the box to me means as if it had been taken out of the box opened once or twice and than re sold.
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"LNIB" ^^^^ These! ^^^^

There have been quite a few seller's/trader's on BF recently, who definitely need a lesson in, ethics/honesty...instead of using deceptive sales practices (BLATANT LIES), just to make a few extra bucks.
 
There was one the other day... LNIB, I stropped the blade, still has factory edge.
 
Don't let words, catch phrases, generic terms, and blanket statements trip you up. LNIB? Maybe, nice fuzzy pictures buddy. Detailed and point-by-point objective descriptions are what to look for. Convoluted and contradictory descriptions are annoying. Sometimes you just have to take them with a grain of salt. Or, forget about it, just walk.

You can kind of tell who's trying to achieve passive sales. Sellers who put little effort into their listings and send off a 'Take it or leave it, I could care less' vibe.
 
They best is when they described the knife as LNIB with a percentage... "The knife is in 87% condition."

And I'm over here like:

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Ok, I'm at least satisfied that I'm not the only one who feels that something "Like New" should not have any noticeable wear or modifications.

My feelings on this are:

NIB = New from the retailer and not carried, handled (except for inspection) or used and all materials that are in new condition

LNIB = Handled and maybe even used, but no sign of wear and could be put under the glass at the retail shop and no one would know the difference. AND comes with the box and all materials

MINT = Could pass for new except for a hard, intense inspection that may reveal a micro, spider thread scratch on the blade, but otherwise it looks new.
 
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