Clip Point 124

Thanks for being honest in this matter and also for bearing with all us Buckaholics who love a great Buck mystery and the controversy that comes with it! Now given that the nature of the claims of this knife have changed, what are you going to value it at?
 
I just checked the new write-up.

Up for auction is a very rare factory modified variant of the Buck Frontiersman, a clip point 124.

According to long-time Buck employee and renown knife maker Leroy Remer, Buck only turned out only about 50 such examples from their factory in the time period from 1974-1975.

The inverted 3-line tang stamp dates this particular knife to 1972, though Leroy said this was brought in during the aforementioned timeframe (between 1974-1975) and believes the work may even have been done by Al Buck himself (when comparing it to similar examples known to have been made by Al).

While standard factory-production black micarta 124's of the same period have a value of around $200-$300, factory-modified examples such as this one are far more scarce. This example is in MINT condition - it has never been sharpened or used.

The winning bidder will have the option of having the knife supplied with the sheath as shown in the listing - an early sheath from Rigid - or with the proper sheath from 1972.

The blade measures 6 1/2 inches (16.5 cm) , with an OAL of 11 1/2 inches (29.2 cm). I have never seen one of these before, and don't know when or if I will ever encounter another such example. A true niche item for the serious 124 collector, as scarce a Buck factory 124 as you will ever find.

Well......it's different.
 
Thanks for being honest in this matter and also for bearing with all us Buckaholics who love a great Buck mystery and the controversy that comes with it! Now given that the nature of the claims of this knife have changed, what are you going to value it at?

Hi Colt,

Sure thing, and thank you for your recognition as such. The corresponding changes have already been made to the listing, along with the new prices.

A final note from my end:

As someone who wears both hats as a collector and a dealer, I get the perception of "spin." However, what too many pure collectors fail to understand is us independent dealers rely on this revenue to in part pay bills and put food on the table. It doesn't do us a damn bit of good if we don't sell what we have for sale.

I work my ass off tracking down leads and collections from Ventura to the Tijuana border. There is time associated with not only finding this stuff, but in photographing it, putting it online, and answering the questions from a global internet customer base that runs the gamut from really good guys to fecal-oscillating, sub-structural bridge dwellers. And then at some point shipping it.

Not only do I have to generate enough revenue to make it worthwhile, I have to make enough money so I still have money to buy stuff. And of course I have to carry the cycle time it takes for something to sell. Sometimes, I'm fortunate, as an item will be pre-sold before it is ever picked up. Other times, an item will sit unsold for maybe a year. In short, you wouldn't so this if you didn't love what you sell, and to do it, you gotta sell what you have for sale.

As a collector, I sometimes encounter a perceptible undercurrent of anti-dealer sentiment on forums from time to time. I get it too, as Lord knows I've had my share of bad experiences buying stuff online (As a seller, it's "epay." As a buyer, it's "epray"). But as a dealer, I think what some people don't seem to get is we work hard to make a buck by getting you something cool for your collection. And the more honest we are, the harder we work.

Lastly, as a collector, if I come across something that belongs in my collection, well I guess you don't get to see it then. Call it my reward for the time and effort it takes to build a business - even a small one - in this trade. As I said in my OP, I will always be a collector first, and a dealer only a distant second.

In the end, the best I can do is represent myself with integrity. I treat every customer as if I would expect and hope for if I was buying something from them.

Anyway, as far as I am concerned the issue with the knife is closed, though I understand the discussion may likely continue. I just don't think I have anything more to add to it.

And it's still a damn fine knife. ;)
 
All in all, a fairly positive outcome.

Well, Sudonym......do you feel that your question got answered?

:)
 
(Quote) The Olde Pueblo,

So did you buy it from Ed... You never did answer my e-mail... ITE ...


Well he never did answer my question... But that's ok... one phone call and I got my answer... I just wanted to say that I almost bought that knife myself and it is one sweet 124 if I my say so... Looks better in person... I didn't know anything about a 124 clip point... By the time I asked questions about it, it was sold or gone... ITE ... :eek:
 
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ah this has been quite the thread and discusson
hee hee old no.42 likes ta get ya goat and will nail ya on detzals
dont give him to much free rent in ya head ...
i thinks ya is an admarial and stright up kind of guy !!
both ways as a collector or seller
why.. well;;;
you have back bone even with dis rowdy bunch
and ya displayed abbility to follow through and
chonies to man up on a subject! :thumbup::thumbup:
you make a welcome addiction ta the forum here in my book ;)
now .. ugh .. ifn ya dont mind my thoughts:foot:

...Lastly, there is the fact that I like this knife,,,,In summary,,,
hee hee.. we all have a price dont we... ;)

humm .. i had me a drink last nite while i pondered this thread..
and these here thoughts come to me

- market value is exalty what a seller will take at any moment..
...no mater what they paid for it
and its collectable value is what a collector will pay over the other guy
when he has to have it ..
no mater how little the seller has in it ..

dave's apprasil sirvice gide lines

what it is- rare steel, workmanship, ect = abc$
or
desirability- only or number one, RARE = XYZ$
but

warm fuzzes, bragging rights = PRICELESS !!!:D:p
 
All in all, a fairly positive outcome.

Well, Sudonym......do you feel that your question got answered?

:)

We're getting there. The main reason I asked this question was because of a friend of mine. I have somewhat infected a friend of mine with the 124 bug and he recently called me about a "clip point 124" that someone had offered to sell him. I have a small collection of 124's and really enjoy collecting them and because of this, he though I might be able to help him. I told him that I had never seen one and did not possess the knowledge to assess what one was worth if it was indeed a factory made model. Then there it was in all its glory on E-bay. I asked him if he was going to buy it and he said that he could have gotten it for much cheaper than the auction price. I told him that something just didn't smell right. So I asked you guys about it and look what happened. By the way, if it is rarer than a white micarta 124, I would be interested in buying such a white micarta 124 for the asking price of that clip point 124.
 
Well, I'm glad we could help.

Looks like it's going into the seller's collection.

Ended without a bid.
 
Yes the white 124 is quite rare. Unfortunately neither of the below knives is for sale but I thought you might like to see a really rare 124. I know of only two and both have standard production stamps on them.

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Some have said that the yellow one (which is more yellow than the picture shows) is simply a faded white one but I assure you that this is not correct.

Telechronos:):):)
 
Well I do feel bad about all of this because I will always wonder if I would have had a diferent opinion had I examined the knife in person. This is one of the hardest categories to verify I think.

But also, on a less serious note, my buddy 110dave's posts are starting to make sense to me! That cant be good right? I should be afraid right? :eek:
 
He didn't happen to give you a few jars of the shed juice, did he?

:D

I wouldn't feel too bad, Joe. The auction was doomed to be a disaster from the very beginning and went nowhere even after the price was dropped and the description was fixed.

You can stretch credibility only so far before it snaps.
 
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