Clones

Reeek said:
Have you used a real Microtech against a Microtech ripoff for any length of time and have you arrived at a comparative opinion about each?
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Reeek I will answer your question with this quote from my original post:

Because they are available to me I can't see paying several hundred dollars for a knife that I'm just going to look at when I can buy a copy for under a hundred bucks.

I don't carry a knife or use a knife in my everyday life. The clones are just fine for me but I would imagine if I needed a knife for EDC I would certainly not carry a clone. I do own MTs and other quality knives but I personally ( I repeat...personally) feel that USA made knives are way overpriced and refuse to pay the price anymore. That's just my opinion.
 
blades1860 said:
I don't carry a knife or use a knife in my everyday life. The clones are just fine for me but I would imagine if I needed a knife for EDC I would certainly not carry a clone. I do own MTs and other quality knives but I personally ( I repeat...personally) feel that USA made knives are way overpriced and refuse to pay the price anymore. That's just my opinion.
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As a former police officer, would you approve of people who aid and abet criminals?

That is, in effect, what you are doing by buying counterfeits whatever your purpose is.
 
That's all your prerogative and it pretty much sounds like we can't help you since you seem to have crafted your opinion already.

Myself, I went through that stage first. I exhausted the tendency to buy cheap ripoffs and other cheap knives (both definitions) in my first year of knife interest. I came to the conclusion that a $10 ripoff is not even close to the value of a good $100 knife of the same style and I replaced a lot of my ignorance with some knowledge after that first year.


blades1860 said:
Reeek I will answer your question with this quote from my original post:

Because they are available to me I can't see paying several hundred dollars for a knife that I'm just going to look at when I can buy a copy for under a hundred bucks.

I don't carry a knife or use a knife in my everyday life. The clones are just fine for me but I would imagine if I needed a knife for EDC I would certainly not carry a clone. I do own MTs and other quality knives but I personally ( I repeat...personally) feel that USA made knives are way overpriced and refuse to pay the price anymore. That's just my opinion.
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singularity35 said:
As a former police officer, would you approve of people who aid and abet criminals?

That is, in effect, what you are doing by buying counterfeits whatever your purpose is.
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I agree, anyone who knowingly supports this type of activity might as well be passing funny money.


Comming here bragging about it, :confused: ...tells me a lot about the character of the individual. :barf:




Big Mike
 
blades1860 said:
I see 'political correctness' is still alive and well in some parts of the world. Your condescension is making me want to hurl. Did you actually read and understand my original post? Or did you skip over the part you didn't want to read? My post was intended to stimulate a discussion that a lot of people in the knife world seem to avoid. It's the dirty little secret. At least I admit I have clones and happen to like them. I also would rather have the real thing but unfortunately I cannot afford the overpriced genuine articles. I also don't like wasting money on Lightnings, Ultrapecks, godfaddas and the rest of the crap sold on the myriad number of cheap knife websites. I'd rather pay a little more and have a clone or counterfeit. For my pleasure by the way.
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You like clones, good for you. Nothing to do with political correctness, it's about having some sort of ethics. That is what you may be confusing for condescension. You wanted to stimulate a discussion, well you have one now. Don't start with your little strawman tactics either, save it for the uneducated.
 
blades1860 said:
Ok. Here comes one from left field. What do you think of cloned knives? I'm talking about exact replicas right down to the markings, finish, etc...
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Clone... replica... I believe the correct term is counterfeit!:barf: I don't care for counterfeits or counterfeiters... :thumbdn:
 
Reeek said:
That's all your prerogative and it pretty much sounds like we can't help you since you seem to have crafted your opinion already.

Myself, I went through that stage first. I exhausted the tendency to buy cheap ripoffs and other cheap knives (both definitions) in my first year of knife interest. I came to the conclusion that a $10 ripoff is not even close to the value of a good $100 knife of the same style and I replaced a lot of my ignorance with some knowledge after that first year.
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Thanks for this post Reeek. You've actually changed my opinion. Very good advice. Very well said. Thanks.
 
With respect....

singularity35 said:
As a former police officer, would you approve of people who aid and abet criminals?

That is,
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in effect LITERALLY, what you are doing by buying counterfeits whatever your purpose is.
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I enjoy some cheap knives myself.Rough Rider,Boker Magnum and others.But to want to buy and use outright copies is something i would never do.It seems sleazy and dishonest.
 
shecky said:
There are several angles to work here. It appears you knowingly bought a counterfeit knife, rather than a mere copy. A counterfeit is not necessarily design theft, but definitely a fraud. In a case like this, it doesn't seem to have caused any harm to the original company that was counterfeited, since you were not going to purchase originals anyway. I see no real problem with this part. However, your purchase props up the factory that is manufacturing counterfeit products, encouraging this difficult to police deception. They, in turn, have incentive to make more counterfeits, which will inevitably defraud some consumers of their money, thinking they are buying genuine goods. This is a problem for both the unknowing victim, and for the manufacturer of originals , which may not only have lost a customer, but may also unjustly suffer damage to their reputation with their name attached to poorly made counterfeit goods.
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No, it doesn't affect the manufacturer. No wait!! it does affect them. :rolleyes:

You're contradicting yourself while trying to prove that it is OK to buy counterfeits because you weren't going to buy a real one anyway.

I hope you can sleep at night knowing you support thieves.


DB
 
As the OP has posted on Talkbalde, he is talking about knives that are marked with the trade mark and are not just merely styled like the real edition. He has been told that everyone with some degree of ethics feels this is a crime, and not something to be supported. It misleads the public as to what the real product is, and what the quality level of a real model is. If you did not have the real and copy to compare side by side then you would not be fairly judgeing the true production knife. The OP offered several knives for sale on Talkblade that were clearly marked with the company name and trade marks. He stated that he directly orders them and imports them from the factory in China ( a serious felony in Canada). I have bought knives that were similar in style to knives from a more expensive makers, but never one mis marked as the real deal. Anyone who sells mis labled ones is helping to fuel the off shore makers to continue their illegal practice.

Talkbalde post
http://talkblade.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=15231&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9897cfb19078bda8e650faf99db87562
 
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2brothers said:
No, it doesn't affect the manufacturer. No wait!! it does affect them. :rolleyes:

You're contradicting yourself while trying to prove that it is OK to buy counterfeits because you weren't going to buy a real one anyway.

I hope you can sleep at night knowing you support thieves.


DB
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You'll have to try harder. This is where one of those several angles I alluded to come into play. There are different harms that can result from counterfeit products. In his case, Microtech didn't lose out on a sale because he wasn't going to buy the real thing anyway, nor was Microtech's reputation harmed, because he knows the knives are not the work of Microtech. This would be the same situation if the blades1860 manufactured his own counterfeit for his own personal use. It would still be a counterfeit, but Microtech would not have lost a sale, and he could not blame Microtech for and defects in workmanship.

The harm comes from encouraging the actual counterfeiter to continue producing counterfeit wares. Not from owning or even wanting a counterfeit.

I can assure you I sleep fine at night recognizing these ethical dilemmas have facets that do not apply to every situation. :rolleyes:
 
Clones are theft. Clones are junk. If you buy one, you are punished by wasting your money on junk.
 
tom19176 said:
The OP offered several knives for sale on Talkblade that were clearly marked with the company name and trade marks. He stated that he directly orders them and imports them from the factory in China ( a serious felony in Canada). I have bought knives that were similar in style to knives from a more expensive makers, but never one mis marked as the real deal. Anyone who sells mis labled ones is helping to fuel the off shore makers to continue their illegal practice.

Talkbalde post
http://talkblade.info/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=15231&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9897cfb19078bda8e650faf99db87562
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Thanks for the sales plug tom19176. Should increase my sales appreciably overnight as there are a lot more members here. The url is actually http://talkblade.info. I guess Tom got his forums mixed up.
BTW there is no such thing as a felony in Canada. Here we classify crimes as "summary" or "indictable".
 
So it was worse than merely bragging. The OP is now admitting to being a purveyor of counterfeit knives. He was flamed as well on that other forum.
 
I'm going to try to go about this nicely...

1. For 2-3 cheap microtech knock offs you could've had 1 AUTHENTIC Microtech that is 10 times better if not more in quality.....do the math.
2. Used Microtechs are around the 150-200 range. Save your money.
3. Do you really want to keep trusting these knock offs that close to your fingers? I wouldn't. Some day you're going to get the wrong knock off and need stitches. Then how big of a deal did you really get?

If you knew you were going to get flamed, probably shouldn't post the thread. Also this thread has been posted before, If I'm not mistaken as close to a week or less ago.
 
clones are meant to be cheaper replicas of the real thing.
with the right equipment it's probably very easy to manufacture fakes.
to lower it's production cost a lot of edges are trimmed.
most notably the materials that make up these products are of a lower grade.
it may work like the real deal; but certainly in most cases, have a shorter lifespan.
for whatever purpose an individual may knowingly choose to buy a clone,
is of no particular interest to anyone, except the law.
cheap things don't normally come with warranty or after sales services.
it's legal accountability that one should be worried about.
it's no good should any product fail to live up in its performance.
can anyone safely stake a human life on such products?
fakes cannot replace the real thing in many situations.
the basic ideas of a replica is to fool the on looker into thinking it's a genuine product.
it's is a copy only in appearence PERIOD.
 
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