Clones

2brothers said:
No, it doesn't affect the manufacturer. No wait!! it does affect them. :rolleyes:

You're contradicting yourself while trying to prove that it is OK to buy counterfeits because you weren't going to buy a real one anyway.

I hope you can sleep at night knowing you support thieves.


DB
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Sonny,
I started to post and point out the deductive disfunction of shecky's thought process here.:confused: You illustrated it in color quite poetically. I will just go with, "What Sonny said!":cool:

What is really a gut buster is the OP saying that counterfeit knives are never discussed here.:confused::eek: We avoid the topic. (Insert facepalm emoticon here) Sure, I hide all of my knock off's in the safe, so you guys won't know I use them. I hear some Kool Aid being stirred.......... tinkle tinkle tinkle
 
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blades1860 said:
Because they are available to me I can't see paying several hundred dollars for a knife that I'm just going to look at when I can buy a copy for under a hundred bucks.

I don't carry a knife or use a knife in my everyday life. The clones are just fine for me but I would imagine if I needed a knife for EDC I would certainly not carry a clone. I do own MTs and other quality knives but I personally ( I repeat...personally) feel that USA made knives are way overpriced and refuse to pay the price anymore. That's just my opinion.
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Some people do use their MT's, not sure how many, and I know that there are a lot of people on these forums who use a knife as a regular part of their everyday life. You said you don't, good for you, I don't use one that regular either, and it depends on what I'm doing, but I don't have to make statements about how I can get a cheaper knife that is a copy of a high end knife, and then state how that I can't see the point in supporting American products.

I'm not an American, but clearly, if you can't see it already, many members DO want to support their local knife industry, and therefore, don't mind spending more money on a product which is better quality and workmanship, and where most of the money is staying in their home country, not going to some overseas company like a few people have already stated.

If you don't want to spend so much money on a knife, then visit a few of the "best knives for 30 bucks threads".
 
Buying used can give you a lot more bang-buck value than buying counterfeit, and there's a lot of pleasure in fine tuning a user back to pristine condition.

I buy 90% of my knives used, 'LNIB', or lowball sale prices.. and havn't had a conscience twinge yet. The only 'clones' I have ever bought are low end kitchen cutlery which actually are authorized licensed (cheap stamped) China production. I only call 'em clones because they're factory copies of more traditional forged blades, and they're not COUNTERFEIT, just the manufacturer selling a low priced alternative to their more expensive lines. Sabatier, if you must know who..
 
In case anyone hasn't noticed, the OP sells knock-offs on another forum (previously posted in this thread). He stated in a thread on that forum that he gets "MT clones" for a mere $15 from one of his "girls" in China.

Yes, a Micro-Tech "clone" of equal material value for only $15. :rolleyes:

-its ludicrous at this point. No?
 
shecky said:
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The harm comes from encouraging the actual counterfeiter to continue producing counterfeit wares. Not from owning or even wanting a counterfeit.
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Thanks for proving my point.

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This thread has gone from bad to worse. :thumbdn:

The Op is not only importing fake knives, it now comes to light that he's selling them.


This thread is nothing but Spam coming from a Troll. :barf:


This bozo should be banned from our fine forum.




Big Mike
 
singularity35 said:
Clones=Fakes

clone buyer=thief supporter

Nuff said
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Short, sweet and 100% factual no matter what excuses are offered by those who chose delusion over reality. That is not being politically correct. It is the support of thieves or the non-support of thieves. Everyone has the right to make that choice, but to defend the choice saying nothing is wrong with that is delusional. Just say you like cheap crap made by thieves who steal designs and take advantage of their employees since that is the truth.

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Seems like the Op's like of these knives goes hand in hand with his selling of them and is quite illustrative of the lack of ethics involved in defending the practice or supporting the practice by purchasing the product.

For me, there are too many straight up and honest companies and makers to deal with those who would take the low road. YMMV but at least deal in the truth. Dealing in stolen intellectual property has no defense other than delusion. To think that there is no harm in owning them (which does in fact encourage the continued production of them) is about as delusional as it gets.
 
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Big Mike said:
This thread has gone from bad to worse. :thumbdn:

The Op is not only importing fake knives, it now comes to light that he's selling them.


This thread is nothing but Spam coming from a Troll. :barf:


This bozo should be banned from our fine forum.


Big Mike
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YEP! It's time to take out the trash - ban the OP and expunge the thread...

<Mods - clean up on isle "clones">
 
We do not ban without a reason and the reason has to be based on rules established by the owner.

We also do not delete threads here unless it is for blatant spam or porn.

If delusion was a offense for banning. We would be quite busy. :D.
 
Selling a copy of another maker's knife is unethical.

Selling a counterfeit with the maker's logo and other markings is a criminal offense and should be prosecuted as such.

One of the biggest issues I have with counterfeits is fraud. Someone thinks they are getting a great deal on a lightly used Microtech for half retail price and they end up getting a Chinese POS with low quality components and inferior blade steel that is worth less than a fraction of what he paid. In other words, someone who wants a high quality knife but cannot afford to pay $300 sees a used version on eBay for $150 and receives a trashy novelty letter opener that is worth less than $20. So it is not only hurting the maker, but those who are being ripped off by scam artists, who I presume are the primary market for bulk orders of counterfeits.

I don't understand why you don't just modify the design a bit and claim it is a different product. You might even be able to get away with that. But copying the actual logo of another maker? If you pick the wrong maker you'll have to worry about a lot more than a lawsuit.
 
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Moving into custom knife making, if someone else copied my design I'd be pretty pissed. Quality should always come first. I would never like someone to copy my designs, so I have to say putting myself in Microtech's shoes, I wouldn't buy a clone and support the copiers.
 
Bastid said:
We do not ban without a reason and the reason has to be based on rules established by the owner.

We also do not delete threads here unless it is for blatant spam or porn.

If delusion was a offense for banning. We would be quite busy. :D.
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Bastid;

I don't know all of the rules around here as I am a relative newcomer... and the owner is (obviously) free to do as (s)he sees fit...

I moderate another forum on the net. If a new member came to our forum with his sole obvious self serving intent of mining customers for a business that sells counterfeit merchandise, he would be banned in a heartbeat. On the forum that I moderate, threads are not deleted but moved to a non-public area of the board so as to not allow them to be dug up or viewed later by regular members. I feel that leaving such a thread in place is like allowing the banned member to advertise dubious business in your otherwise reputable cyberspace. I feel this damages the forum and it's image in the community of blade enthusiasts (in the case of the forum I moderate - watch enthusiasts).

Just MHO - YMMV.

Cheers,

- Michael -
 
Wow. I just googled his username and found this LINK.

Didn't see any Microtech clones, but he's got Titans and Tomb Raider OTFs priced at double retail.
 
We are just a little different, we give people rope within reason, eventually the truth bubbles to the top and in a lot of cases some folks hang themselves with the rope. (figuratively of course). For the most part he is talking to a community of serious knife nuts who are known to be able to throw the trash out all by themselves. ;)
 
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