Cody Lundin Knife?

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skyhorse said:
I share and agree with your observation. Having lived most my life outdoors starting from a very young boy,then being a 17 year old paratrooper during Nam have given me a different perspective than some of the crap they show on T.V. Lol, I'm shocked the kid didn't brand me a racist too.:D
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Give it time, this thread ain't locked yet! ;)

Balboa256 said:
What are "egg spurts"??? LOL:D
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I was always told that it was a former drip under pressure. And codger misspelled it, it should have been ex-spurt. :D But don't blame him, probably hit his head on a rock in those Class 15 rapids that he likes to Kayak in... ;)

Seriously, there is far too much hero worship these days, and it's unhealthy. I have Cody's books, and there is some useful information in them, and a lot of exaggeration that really makes me question his competence. I have posted about this before as well, you can search on my username.
 
sodak said:
... But don't blame him, probably hit his head on a rock in those Class 15 rapids that he likes to Kayak in... ;)...
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Hey now! I'll have you know that I am not and have never been a butt-boater! Half the paddle - twice the skill! Those who can... canoe. Those who can't, they yak!

I'd like to see an unscripted reality show with several survival stars taking a trip to peru with some of our members. Or even in Alaska with Gobluehiker (search him on this forum). Heroes? Nah, but damn good at what they do.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...aranof-Island-SE-Alaska?highlight=Gobluehiker
 
Codger_64 said:
In the upper right corner is a "search forum" button. Enter a term like "jungle" or "training" and you will get pages of threads to peruse. Please though, forum etiquite is that you don't bump really old threads. "Necro-posting" is frowned upon. After a search and read, you can either contact the parties directly, visit their websites or start a new thread on the topic.

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Thanks very much my friend. I want to apologize if I seemed rude to you at anytime. Its been bothering me a little when I think about it. Sometimes its difficult to read someones "intent" when it comes to these forums. Emotion and tone of voice are absent in a world of typing text. I will check out these things you have mentioned. You take care buddy and thanks again.
 
You are most welcome and no offense taken. You are correct that communication on the forums is much different than in real life. We do have a selection of emoticons in the posting window which help sometimes. I'm as guilty as anyone for forgetting to use them though.

As to the forum, make yourself at home. Get involved in ongoing topic discussions and meet members. You will be astounded at the people who are members here from aerospace engineers, surgeons, archeologists, law enforcement officers and game wardens to physicists. And yes, survival adventure trainers, semi-pro hunters and fishermen and life-long outdoorsmen and women.

More than that, you can establish friendships with people around the world. Because of the medium of this forum I have friends, not just in the 50 U.S. states, but in Asia, Europe, Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Oh yeah... I know some great Canadians too. And through the knife connections here I have talked with both up and comeing knife makers and master bladesmiths including the late great Bob R.W. Loveless. And Blackie Colins. D'holder. Linda Karst Stone (scrimschander) and many others at the top of their fields.

Welcome. And... invite a survival guru to visit us, your choice. There is a pretty good list of them. Interview them here and make them real to us. I dare ya! :) :thumbup:

Michael
 
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I think I see various grubs, worms, ants and maybe some putrified deer eyeballs in there.

I do lampoon. But I would like to see him join a RAT adventure trek. In fact, an outing composed entirely of the RAT team and the current crop of "survival celebs". No scripts. Who teaches who. Who fubars the most. Not a competition. A "fer-realz" reality show. Or as I suggested, invite them here one at a time for a mano-y-mano interview. One of our experts conducts with no input from the peanut gallery until a Q&A segment afterward. I would be mucho interested in reading their take on many survival/outdoorsman related topics. This. I feel, could be a great learning experience for us all.
 
Codger_64 said:
Not a competition. A "fer-realz" reality show.
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This is the issue that lurks just beneath the waves of a lot of backcountry discussions.

I have a buddy who lives out in CA. We did a little bit a hiking together and a whole lotta talking about the backcountry. He asked me once, if I was still satisfied doing "pedestrian" trips in the White of New Hampshire. Pedestrian.

My daughter this spring pounded the table when we were making plans for the summer. "I want to climb Mt. Washington. It's the highest in the state, right?"

"Yes. Why?"

"Because I want to do something... you know... that's LEGIT. You know, something real."


So, that's the core question. What makes a backcountry venture real, or legit?

The fact of the matter is, that 99% of us aren't in the woods on real military operations. And we're not out there "surviving" because our plane went down unexpectedly. We're out there because we choose to be there as a form of very well-off, very modern and very romantic (as in the Romantic period and ethos) recreation.

Please note, I'm not dismissing recreation. I believe very strongly in the re-creative aspect of wilderness experience but that's because I also believe pretty strongly in this as an very old way of understanding the creator (which people are free to define any old way that suits them, just to be clear). "He went to the hills." In this way, I get re-created, or made new. And that's pretty real, or at least to me.

But there's more to it. It's peaks bagged. Points on a map connected. Sense of wonder. Sense of accomplishment. Reminder of something nearly lost or only in echos? I dunno. Something "LEGIT", as my daughter put it.

You know what I'm interested in? I'm interested in very pedestrian backcountry trips in which people have a modicum of knowledge and good sense and they go out, have a good time, don't destroy the wild places they visit and come back without incident, without emergency, without panic, without all the survival angst.

I'm getting to the point of seeing all of the "survival" discussion as being a proxy for our (not entirely wrong) fear that our rich, modern infrastructure that produces Primaloft, 12C27, Coleman Fuel and GoreTex might collapse.

Maybe the more "fer-relz" thing to do would be to drop the RAT teams into a slum in Rio.

This is some of that crap that rolls through my brain when I go to places like this...

Beaver Pond, NH by Pinnah, on Flickr
 
I'd be happy enough just to see how that barefoot dude got on over a weekend of my choosing on a Welsh hill farm. He could rub his Mora 'till the sheep came home it won't do him any good. He's still going to look like a bedraggled mess shuffling across beach stones after a winter dip in the sea in a hail storm. And he's going to be hungry. Mebe a welliboot shod farmer can go take him a sandwich and hot water bottle on the Monday or something.
 
What do I mean by "fer-realz"? Each of you touched on it. No scripted drama. No points for doing dangerous stunts. No sherpas and support crew. An "excursion" planned and known only to the RAT crew or other (recognized by most of us legit) adventure organizer. No planted-then-found packs of supplies. I can think of a dozen such potential leaders right here on this forum. Go look at the trip reports and photo posts. Real people. Modern adventurers. Real trips. Real challenges.
 
Codger_64 said:
What do I mean by "fer-realz"? Each of you touched on it. No scripted drama. No points for doing dangerous stunts. No sherpas and support crew. An "excursion" planned and known only to the RAT crew or other (recognized by most of us legit) adventure organizer. No planted-then-found packs of supplies. I can think of a dozen such potential leaders right here on this forum. Go look at the trip reports and photo posts. Real people. Modern adventurers. Real trips. Real challenges.
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Do you mean RAT as in ESSE knives? I saw a bit of video on them once showing how totally dependent they are on locals for knowledge. When one got the navigation wrong none of the others knew it. All very passive passengers. They spent all day going the wrong way along a river. When someone finally twigged on, they had to chug all the way back the other way. Hilarious bunch.
 
Someone once asked Daniel Boone if he ever got lost on his long hunts. He replied to the effect, "I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.". Even experts make mistakes. A real expert will admit them. And knows that he doesn't know everything. And will readily admit to that. :)
 
Codger_64 said:
Someone once asked Daniel Boone if he ever got lost on his long hunts. He replied to the effect, "I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.". Even experts make mistakes. A real expert will admit them. And knows that he doesn't know everything. And will readily admit to that. :)
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I don't think we necessarily disagree on this stuff. A lot of what you have posted in this thread about “gurus” and whatnot mirrors my own feelings. And none of it is far from stuff I've posted here before, numerous times.

I was simply extending that same thing to the RAT / ESSE folks because a lot of the same applies. I've got no beef with them in particular, in fact I usually find their candour very refreshing. There aren't that many folks willing to say words to the effect “what we sell is bullshit”. That alone is worthy of a handshake and a “be lucky then mate”.

Where I am critical is of separating them off from the “guru” instructor types as if they had something sacrosanct about what they know. I don't believe that is the case at all. The illustration I used above is an example of how heavily dependent they are on the locals to do the knowing for them. No different to what a lot of the TV celebs are like.

When it comes to them unsupported like that all I have seen them do far is a fair weather bloke that wanders around in slippers – less robust than the dress shoes I'd skirt a puddle in, a bloke teaching navigation nixing a whole grid square with his dirty great finger in a way that gets most tyros awarded pushups, a bunch of fig 4 and feather sticks ad nauseam, and cooking crocodile or spam with a machete. Then there's the issue of vandalism that came up here when a bunch of live trees were butchered at a place that I was given to understand at the time is a public park and strictly verboten. That got conveniently ignored when the questions were asked. I remember it well.

Accordingly, I'm unwilling to separate them off as a good alternative source of knowing to the celeb gurus taking the glory off the back of locals. As a business I'm sure what they offer could be fun. What do they call it “adventure training holidays”. As fun as that may be I don't see that as anything more than a conveniently packaged conduit through which to tap the locals that do know stuff. No harm in that, but I prefer to call it what it is. In sum then, I don't see how on one hand we can separate the TV guru off from the locals but then not these folks on the other. :)
 
I honestly think that most of the hate towards Lundin is in his appearance. People see hippy and discount everything he has to say on anything right out of the gate. You give him a crew cut, some boots, and outfit him in molle gear and people would love him. I don't think it has a darn thing to do with his skills. Most of which I don't think you see on the show. The show is geared more toward the friction between the two instead of teaching any skills so you see arguments more than anything being taught.
 
Several issues interleaved.

One is learning/teaching style. Tutelage vs books. Another is exploitation of primitive cultures. That's woven into the warp and woof of our society. Literally. No excusing any of it, mind you. Just saying that it's hard to condemn it in any one aspect without becoming hypocritical in others.

More interesting/hopeful to me is the range of outdoor styles and perspectives. Backpackers have a lot to learn from hunters. And vice versa. And survivalists have a lot to learn from UL fast packers. And vice versa. And bushcrafters have a lot to learn from climbers. And vice versa.

"Real" is as real does, imo. Hanging with people who have skills is always good, but not because I think one particular style is worthy above all others. But because doing something well means there's something worth learning there. You can point to a trip run by a knife company and that's cool, but so are learning opportunities produced by people/groups who come at the question from very different points of view.
 
pinnah said:
Several issues interleaved.

One is learning/teaching style. Tutelage vs books. Another is exploitation of primitive cultures. That's woven into the warp and woof of our society. Literally. No excusing any of it, mind you. Just saying that it's hard to condemn it in any one aspect without becoming hypocritical in others.

More interesting/hopeful to me is the range of outdoor styles and perspectives. Backpackers have a lot to learn from hunters. And vice versa. And survivalists have a lot to learn from UL fast packers. And vice versa. And bushcrafters have a lot to learn from climbers. And vice versa.

"Real" is as real does, imo. Hanging with people who have skills is always good, but not because I think one particular style is worthy above all others. But because doing something well means there's something worth learning there. You can point to a trip run by a knife company and that's cool, but so are learning opportunities produced by people/groups who come at the question from very different points of view.
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You make some very good points there my friend.
 
Shotgun said:
I honestly think that most of the hate towards Lundin is in his appearance. People see hippy and discount everything he has to say on anything right out of the gate. You give him a crew cut, some boots, and outfit him in molle gear and people would love him. I don't think it has a darn thing to do with his skills. Most of which I don't think you see on the show. The show is geared more toward the friction between the two instead of teaching any skills so you see arguments more than anything being taught.
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Again with the hate? His appearance? Or the fact that he refuses to dress appropriate for the environment? Love? What's love got to do with it (Tina Turner song)? Sorry, but no emotional investment here either way.
 
Lundin makes some good points in his books. Other things he says, I think he's full of BS. Hate or love? Ever since Tina moved to Switzerland, I'm without guidance! :D
 
As with any expert, there are things he does that I dont agree with and things he does that I think are great. Overall, Cody appears to be an accomplished primitive skills expert. Whether you like him, hate him, love him or are indifferent about him it doesnt matter. Not sure what this thread is all about anymore. I cant imagine we are actually debating his credentials and or prowess when it comes to his field. Yes there are other experts. I am positive there are other experts that have stronger skills in his field and many that dont even come close. Bottom line, he is a very smart man with lots of dirt time. I dont know what else there is to say.
 
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