Cold Steel 4MAX… $425???

tnt131185 said:
its not. the liners arent metal and the studs are set into the plastic liners. hard use for a supposed hard use knife will destroy it.
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LOL........
From the mouth of somebody who has obviously never even seen one.....
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The Recon 1 is about as strong as you need for any folder. It been shown time after time that its strong enough to handle just about anything. You'd need to do something real stupid to break it.....
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tnt131185 said:
its not. the liners arent metal and the studs are set into the plastic liners. hard use for a supposed hard use knife will destroy it.
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That’s way off. As said above, Recon 1’s are very strong and proven. The large pivot, stop pin, and lock pivot pin take the majority of any stress. The G10 handle is more than strong enough to support them. The backspacer that the rear screws set in is quality aluminum.
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Arathol said:
LOL........
From the mouth of somebody who has obviously never even seen one.....
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The Recon 1 is about as strong as you need for any folder. It been shown time after time that its strong enough to handle just about anything. You'd need to do something real stupid to break it.....
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Complaints about it failing can be found. Either way im not trusting plastic for a knife specifically if its marketed as hard use. For an edc then it should be fine.
 
Blue Sky said:
Recon 1 has G10 scales, not plastic. And no liners. AFAIK they have been shown to be plenty strong.
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They are fiberglass sheets bonded with resin which is a plastic. I guess technically im wrong and youre right because theyre not just plastic.
 
jux t said:
The screws don’t screw into plastic, and hard use won’t destroy it. Show me otherwise if you know better…
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I looked it up again. I was right but only partially. The coating rubs off and causes looseness which cascades. Im still sure im right but its been some time since i looked into it. I cant find the articles or forum posts.
 
tnt131185 said:
I looked it up again. I was right but only partially. The coating rubs off and causes looseness which cascades. Im still sure im right but its been some time since i looked into it. I cant find the articles or forum posts.
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What coating rubs off and causes looseness? The old Teflon coating they haven’t used in years? Then all you’d have to do is tighten the pivot? That’s hardly “destroyed”. And they use DLC coating now which isn’t going anywhere. You’re still wayyyy off.
 
DocJD said:
Cold Steel used to be great for value , but now you gotta shop hard to find a deal .
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Unfortunately, I agree.
Sort of following the Spyderco model. A great value brand for years that has remained a good brand, not so much the great value.
Too bad.
 
jux t said:
What coating rubs off and causes looseness? The old Teflon coating they haven’t used in years? Then all you’d have to do is tighten the pivot? That’s hardly “destroyed”. And they use DLC coating now which isn’t going anywhere. You’re still wayyyy off.
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They use dlc NOW. Not always. Im not way off. Im going to continue. Theres nothing you can do about it. Shove off.
 
DocJD said:
There's still great deals available , but gotta be patient and shop around . ;):thumbsup:

GSM may just have to learn that many of their CS customers are value shoppers and will not pay ridiculous prices . :mad::thumbsdown:
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I fall into the group that won t pay the new high prices. I can t tell why the new models are so expensive, and what the improvements are over the older classic models. And with the triad lock patent expiring, the brand is losing a valuable exclusive component.
 
knarfeng said:
I noticed both of those also.
Cold Steel used to make a good knife at a good price, taking advantage of foreign manufacturing sites.
With the new prices, they make a good knife at a high price, apparently pocketing the manufacturing cost savings, instead of passing them along to the customer.

I'm having to think hard about further CS purchases.
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Me too. Only if I find a great sale.

As if I needed another knife.
 
Zephyr One/Zero said:
You can blame-it on the mythical, 'Putin Price-Hike'. Seriously though, the 'Elite' is not worth $425 USD, more like $325 USD. The 4 Max has kind of reached the Cold Steel legendary-class status. Much like the Espada, Black Rhino, and Hatamoto. If you want a solid working 'cutter' the Scout is really all-that-you-need. Some folks drive Chevys, and others demand a Porsche. The 'green-scaled' Hulk-variant from DLT is also; a good trade-off for a Scout.

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And for me, the Voyager is a good substitution for the 4Max Scout as a worker edc, at half the weight.
At usually a better price.
 
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I ve never had a harder use knife than the Recon 1. And that includes an xm18 and a Sebenza. Maybe, because I ve never used any of these to the point of failure, I m not qualified to pass judgement. But with heavy outdoor work, the Recon 1 has done well for several years.
 
tnt131185 said:
Complaints about it failing can be found. Either way im not trusting plastic for a knife specifically if its marketed as hard use. For an edc then it should be fine.
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Ok, so find some of those complaints and post them here......
What exactly do you think will fail under hard use? Some wear on the coating won't make a bit of difference, and there is no way the screws are going to fail short of deliberate and intentional abuse.
Show us some pictures of your Cold Steel Recon1 while you are at it.....
 
Just dug out my 4max and sure enough, the magnet don’t stick to the clip, screws, liners or the that big thick long backspacer. This knife is huge and just never has fit my collection, so it’s been in the box on shelf. Very nice build and typical CS razor edge. IMG_1181.jpeg
 
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