Cold Steel "borrowing" Emerson's wave openly. See pics!

Death's Head

Death's Head

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I was at my friend's knife shop today and noticed a stack of Cold Steel's newest 2006 catalog. I browsed through it not expecting anything I haven't seen already in an earlier post of Cold Steel's new releases for this year. My friend pointed out the Cold Steel now has knives with waves also! As I turned to the first page of the catalog, I didn't really notice it at first. My friend had to point it out to me. Yes, in it was in plain site. The legendary wave "borrowed" by Lynn to sell his knives.
Was this an accident? If any of you watched the "More Proof" video, you would know that he advertises that the Ti-lite could be "waved" open. Lets give Cold Steel the benefit of the doubt and say that it was a technique discovered after the production of the knife. I could live with that. We all have discovered more than one technique to open a knife right?
Now reading the description of the knives, it reads something along the lines of:
Special thumb disk can be used to snag on pocket to assist with opening the knife.
Accident? Obviously not. Maybe Lynn and Ernest has an agreement. Who knows? I'm just a forumite and a buyer.
Will I still buy Cold Steel? Maybe.
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They don't have an agreement. Lynn has never talked to Ernie about it. I asked Ernie. Lynn's a thief plain and simple. He slaps anyone in the face that holds a patent or other intellectual property and in my opinion should face the music when it comes back to bite him. What is so much a blatant theft on his part is the fact that he not only steals the idea but the video demo in their "More Proof" CD is just like Ernie's also.

Its almost as if he is just daring anyone to tell him he can't do it or to challenge him. Whats so obvious to me about this is that if it were the other way around Lynn would be the first one shouting foul loudly on every venue he could muster. You'd think he would learn after getting his butt kicked legally by BenchMade for stealing the Axis lock but oh no. Not Lynn. He should be licensed and paying a fee or royalty for this and maybe he will be as well as back pay for it one day like he now has to do for BenchMade.

STR
 
Just by using the opening disk as a "wave" I think he's not infringing into any patents. Maybe not PC but may be legally ok.
 
STR said:
You'd think he would learn after getting his butt kicked legally by BenchMade for stealing the Axis lock but oh no. Not Lynn. He should be licensed and paying a fee or royalty for this and maybe he will be as well as back pay for it one day like he now has to do for BenchMade.

STR
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I wasn't aware that he was already in hot water with Benchmade. He also has his own Axis lock?
 
robertmegar said:
Just by using the opening disk as a "wave" I think he's not infringing into any patents. Maybe not PC but may be legally ok.
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Careful, you might be opening a huge can of worms with a comment like that@:D
 
robertmegar said:
Just by using the opening disk as a "wave" I think he's not infringing into any patents. Maybe not PC but may be legally ok.
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I'm not jumping on you, because I believe this to be the exact tactic ol Lynn will take, but to my mind the only difference between a good businessman and a filthy, lying, thieving, POS is where they put their efforts to make a buck. Lynn could use all the thought he put into "how can I screw over Ernie and not have to pay for it," into an effort to be acutally :eek: CREATIVE and INNOVATIVE. What a thieving piece of crap.

As far as the law goes, I've seen a guy who molested a little boy for 5 years get off with 5 months of prison time. After that, who can say that the law is the be-all and end-all of what's right?

AGAIN, I'M NOT JUMPING ON ROBERT, AS I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT'S WHAT LYNN WILL SAY.

-Anthony
 
SpyderJon said:
difference between a good businessman and a filthy, lying, thieving, POS
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Actually a good businessman possesses exactly those qualities, just like a good lawyer or a good politician.

A good knifemaker however, is above that BS.
 
The wave is the next pocket clip. It's just so handy that in time everyone will steal it. But that doesn't make it right.
 
I very much doubt that BM truely got out of their agreement what they wanted. I bet they would rather not get the royalties and instead force Cold Steel not use the AXIS copy. It wasn't a proper licencing process, BM is still not credited with their patent and they have no control over the quality of the Cold Steel product, which might very well backfire when the first Cold Steels with lock failure show up.

But hey, that Cold Steal likes to copy other people ideas is an old hat :barf: .
 
deathshead said:
Lets give Cold Steel the benefit of the doubt and say that it was a technique discovered after the production of the knife.
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LET'S NOT!
Lynn has proven himself to be a thief, cheater, and liar many times over. Enough said.
 
I was ready to order a cold steel fixed blade soon too.

Looks like I'm in the hunt for different knife now...
 
Walking Man said:
LET'S NOT!
Lynn has proven himself to be a thief, cheater, and liar many times over. Enough said.
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My thoughts exactly!
That was the point when I wrote the last part of my post.:D
 
That top knife by CS is an original design that was manufactured by custom knifemaker Andrew Demko. The wave-type feature was on a proto of the knife that I saw at Blade 2003. He was approached by Emerson regarding his take on the Wave and he changed the design. It looks as though CS stole the design from Demko with the wave-type feature before it was changed by him. I cannot say whether Demko and CS have a collaboration going on with the knife.
 
A patent must be non-obvious to be enforcible. Opening a knife by hooking a blade mounted projection against your pocket is WAY obvious. Cold Steels knife doesn't constitue thievery.
 
the only way it wouldn't be blatant theft, is if they made the knives tip down only. (of course they aren't going to do that- it wouldn't be sleazy enough)
 
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