Cold Steel "borrowing" Emerson's wave openly. See pics!

"A pin is formed on the knife blade" - could be a technicality. Formed on vice attached to.

Also, the patent date of 1999. Anyone seen a knife with flippers like the Ti-Lites made before then?

BTW - not defending CS, just looking at the situation with all possible view points (sorta professionally at the moment). Personally, I think he should have gotten permission, if nothing else (like integrity) it would be good advertising point.
 
There were a few knives made that could act like a "Wave" in the right cicumstances. The Kershaw Talon or "Pickal, (maybe spelled Pakal not sure)for one. The only thing preventing this knife from this was the fact that it came from the factory for tip down carry only. I've converted one to tip up carry for a forum member. Afterwards it worked every bit as effectively as a Waved folder although I got the impression it would eat pockets up far worse than any typical wave would. This Kershaw knife predates the forming of Emerson knife company as I recall. The Kershaw is on the right. The one on the left is an A.G.Russell Sting I put a low rider clip on for the guy that owns both.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53340&d=1141187782

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STR said:
Patents are protected and in my mind Ernie has every right to sue him for patent infringement. Jumping into something like that is no small deal financially though especially tackling someone like LT because he is just a big enough a$$ to think he is perfectly legit
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Aren't there attorneys in this field who will only ask for fees if you win (like other fields)? Then, there are punitive damages. If someone stole from me, I would damn fight to make things straight. It's really no different than someone breaking into your home to steal.
 
I don't care if Cold Steel copied the wave or not. Those knives are ugly!, and I sure ain't buying one of them.
 
I've never considered purchasing a Cold Steel mostly because their design and materials fail to impress me. Their lack of "blazing their own trail" in unique innovative designs also lacks appeal to their product for me. It's like comparing a Daewoo to a Honda.

Much like Gerber and United Cutlery, there are plenty of knife owners who are willing to look past quality to save a few bucks - or they buy into the hype. In saying this, I don't mean to insult Cold Steel owners in comparing CS to UC and Gerber; it's my personal opinion.

Unless you are a knifenut, does the average joe even care what materials are used, and whose design the knives really are? Not likely.

Instead of buying into CS hype, I think I'll just spend the money on another Spyderco or Benchmade instead. Or the soon-to-be-available S30V Kershaw Leek! ;)
 
Amad:
Unless you're going after deep pocket defendants, it's generally not worth it for a lawyer to take a case on the basis of possible awards. Awards are not always hard to get but usually hard to enforce. Ernie could reasonabily get a lawyer, sue and win actual and maybe even punative damages. That would take some serious $$$$ and probably a lot of Ernie's time. The reality is that if you want a top lawyer to to a good job you need to be ready to turn on the money facet. Yeah stuff like this sucks but it seems to be the way life is.:grumpy:
 
Why am I suddenly wondering if anyone thought to ....patent.... having a SHARP edge on a knife?

:eek: :jerkit: :D
 
What one might look for is a bright, hard-working young lawyer looking to make a name for himself or herself. The publicity from a high-profile case can set up a lawyer's career for future financial success.

But how does a lay person know the young champion is good? Tough issue.

Plus, costs alone in major litigation can run to $10,000.

The experienced, established "star" will want a big retainer.

And who is counting on the barriers to litigation? The honesty-challenged.
 
Lavan said:
Why am I suddenly wondering if anyone thought to ....patent.... having a SHARP edge on a knife?

:eek: :jerkit: :D
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It was in general commerce for 100's of years before the patent system.
 
Another thing guys. The AK-47 is supposed to cost around $80. The other one is going to be a limited edition costing $400 because of titanium liners, San Mai III steel, G-10 scales etc. Now talk about ripping off an idea to make money! If you don't think people will buy a Cold Steel. Lynn has other $300+ knives being sold. My friend who owns a knife shop couldn't keep the suckers on display longer than 2 days because people bought them like hot cakes. He has been sold out for a while.
 
In all honesty, I love the Ti-lite. I just wish it didn't have the controversy that will always linger with that knife.
 
Don't some old switchblades have quillions (or whatever you call them) that could be used to open the knife in a similar fashion to the Ti-lites?
 
FlyingMuskrat said:
Don't some old switchblades have quillions (or whatever you call them) that could be used to open the knife in a similar fashion to the Ti-lites?
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Not sure, correct me anyone if I'm wrong. I think those old switchblades had quillions that were attached to the handle rather than the blade, so it could not be waved open. Like I said, I could be wrong.
 
Lynn knew exactly what he was doing with the Ti Lite when he turned the quilion non sharpened serrations out so they were conveniently placed so they'd catch the pocket better as the knife was withdrawn. Ever asked yourself why the serrations were not turned toward the hand for grip like the other one is instead of backwards? Obviously its to simply make the Wave he wanted to steal work better.

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Cold Steal... enough said.

Be innovative, and maybe the people will come. Steal, and watch your name get dragged through the supersaturated soil matrix.
 
Cold Steel has always been a joke.

Ugly designs, cheap-looking materials, idiotic advertising and claims, goofy business practices, theft.

They are worse than Dark Ops in my book.
 
Actually, I thought the ridges were there to allow control when your hands were wet (helped big time when mine were - used the TiLite at work for approximately a year).

I think ELUs discovered the "wave"-ability of the TiLite before Mr. Thompson did. Did it by accident myself, then started doing it on purpose. Then, later, I found out about Mr. Emerson's Wave.

Did his video displaying it come out a year or so after introduction?

As the Kershaw illustrates, knives with the potential to be waved existed. Mr. Emerson patented a blade modification that purposely allowed the ELU to do it.

By the by, in regards to the dagger knives, how come no one's jumpin' the DDR designed CUDA MAX?

I've got the feelin' people are forgettin' to examine the issue dispassionately, objectively.

Cold Steel markets reasonable quality knives for the street price. The issue is whether the "wave"-like feature on the AK-47 knife violates Mr. Emerson's patent (or circumvents it).

I'm betting Mr. Thompson obtained legal advice prior to finalizing the design. But I do remember he gambled and lost with his take on the axis.
 
people are forgettin' to examine the issue dispassionately, objectively.
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See this is where I differ with you orthogonal1. There is nothing wrong with the Cuda Maxx. The difference is this. Camillus is not promoting it and showing video clips of how it works as a Wave. Advertising it as such is crossing the line. The fact that some come up accidentally that can or cannot work like a Waved folder has been discussed but its kind of hard to make it a case against a knife like the Kershaw when it is set up from the factory for tip down carry. Its kind of hard to call foul against the Cuda when no one is touting it as such also.

We all knew that the Ti Lite worked kind of like an "underground" Wave and suspected that LT knew exactly what he was doing by it and no one said much when it was not brought to the forefront of everyones' attention. Cold Steel's promotions of it and video clips of it working as a Waved folder without permission to do so from the holder of the intellectual property is the difference and where Lynn has clearly violated Ernie's rights for the patent.

STR
 
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