Cold steel cpm 3v chipped

[mete]

Herlock , tip breakage is often caused by grinding [heat ] damage !
The blade in question doesn't have a small chip on the cutting edge. It has a major chip going well past the ground edge . I've spent much of my career as a metallurgist working in " failure analysis " .These knife failures are usually easy for me to analyse !!

RJMartin is a metallurgist so his knives should be HT'd properly.

 

[Akcir]

Coldsteel has a good response track record in the Manufacturers forum. If you want one of those knives, post this there, and ask them what they would do warranty wise. Then base your purchase decision on a reply from them. There may be a little less pontificating as well.

 

[PURPLEDC]

Since the owner of the knife did post an explanation, why do you say we don't know?


I realize the story doesn't come with a video and a chemical analysis of the wood, but there's really no reason to doubt the basics presented.

I didnt see the owner of the knife posting in the thread. I saw a different member repeat what was said from that customer. Either way sometimes things go beyond the basic. Not everything can be explained with minimal information. I understand the desire to keep the conversation simple as it makes arguing your points easier and prevents rebuttal but sometimes an issue runs deeper than that. And oversimplifying something isnt always in the best interest of the topic.

 

[J.Vervoorst]

The OP is not the owner of this knife, he merely pulled the photo from a review on Amazon for the Master Hunter. Same goes for the description of the incident. It can be seen here:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2DKII41EMQ5GA/ref=cm_cr_dp_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00U1I9V74&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=3375251&store=sporting-goods#wasThisHelpful

 

[craytab]

So that's what we are going to do? Discuss a review on Amazon? Far too much speculation for me......

 

[Akcir]

So that's what we are going to do? Discuss a review on Amazon? Far too much speculation for me......

Exactly. Why go around the block to get next door? A Cold Steel rep can probably answer any heat treat or warranty questions, accurately.

 

[RX-79G]

I didnt see the owner of the knife posting in the thread. I saw a different member repeat what was said from that customer. Either way sometimes things go beyond the basic. Not everything can be explained with minimal information. I understand the desire to keep the conversation simple as it makes arguing your points easier and prevents rebuttal but sometimes an issue runs deeper than that. And oversimplifying something isnt always in the best interest of the topic.

I'm not talking about who is to blame for the knife breaking. I'm talking about the immediate speculation whenever someone presents this kind of story that they are lying. It goes too far.


Why did the knife break? It could be technique, grind, metallurgy, etc. But stating that the owner shot it with a gun rather than it broke while being hammered into a stick is the most ridiculous kind of "speculation" - far more farcical than musing about heat treats or types of wood.

 

[craytab]

Exactly. Why go around the block to get next door? A Cold Steel rep can probably answer any heat treat or warranty questions, accurately.

Yup, why guess about things that are known by the company that made the knife? What we will never know is what actually happened with this knife. Pure 100% speculation....from an Amazon review no less!

 

[RX-79G]

Yup, why guess about things that are known by the company that made the knife? What we will never know is what actually happened with this knife. Pure 100% speculation....from an Amazon review no less!

The knife probably doesn't even exist. The person posting the review has so much time on his hands that he found an image, photoshopped a chip and put a fake review up on Amazon just so the wily posters on BF would have a mystery to solve.

 

[craytab]

I trust many of the members here. I give amazon reviews a big grain of salt.

 

[marcinek]

Typical of a chop ,then twist ,which will put a halfmoon notch in the blade !!

This.

 

[Jonslaught]

[video=youtube;B3vkzRdp9vU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3vkzRdp9vU[/video]

 

[marcinek]

It's one of two things:

Improper HT
User Error

And this.

 

[marcinek]

For me, the presented basics are what cause me to be a bit reticent. Batoning 3v into 2" of wood, that "wasn't even a hard wood" (not sure what that means...birch/poplar/basswood?) whether it's a branch or sapling and causing that particular damage seems unlikely.

Precisely. That kinda of chip screams the "twisted while in wood" that mete mentions.

If a anonymous 3rd party posts a pic with his car wrapped around a tree and claims the tree ran out and jumped in from of him, one would feel that the poster was being, as trevitrace so eloquently put it, reticent.

Same here.

 

[RX-79G]

I think you can get the same sort of twisting effect when batoning that you do 'chopping then twisting'. Knots, how you hit the blade, how free the wood is to move, etc.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

And this.

Yup. Could be they put out a lemon, could be user error. Given that the 3V Master Hunter has now been out for some time and this is the one instance of damage I consistently see being brought up, I'm going out on a limb and saying it's probably not a huge production issue but, if it was a lemon, rather a singular incident.

I've put a decent amount of use on my 3V Master Hunter and haven't experienced any edge damage. That said, it's a slicer much more than a rough and tough sharpened prybar. So battoning and then torqueing the knife, particularly if it was cross grain battoning, could easily produce damage like that.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I'm not talking about who is to blame for the knife breaking. I'm talking about the immediate speculation whenever someone presents this kind of story that they are lying. It goes too far.


Why did the knife break? It could be technique, grind, metallurgy, etc. But stating that the owner shot it with a gun rather than it broke while being hammered into a stick is the most ridiculous kind of "speculation" - far more farcical than musing about heat treats or types of wood.

You said the owner posted an explanation which he did not. This was a random review from amazon. We know nothing about the person or their knowledge of knives. We all know you always will side with the customer and defend them no matter what the the claim, company or the site it came from. Its kinda your signature. I still have hope that one day you will acknowledge people have a different opinion and way of looking at these situations and that they have no obligation to see things the way you do. You think the speculation is ridiculous. But I would wager a few would see white knighting for a nameless, faceless individual who very well could be lying or even uneducated on the subject equally absurd. Again I have seen too much dishonesty & ignorance in this hobby right here on this forum to just trust the word of some random customer from amazon.

 

[craytab]

Yup. Could be they put out a lemon

And we will never ever know what really happened. Which makes defending such a review pointless.

 

[shinyedges]

All I can say is I've had 3v from Dan Winkler and big Chris, I have "abused" the knives I got from said makers by batonning oak and ironwood amongst other things. Never a single hiccup, my opinion is defective heat treat or temper.

Also knifechop has a history of posting things to get a rise out of people, the original owner of that knife should have posted it here otherwise knifechop is just stirring the pot.

 

[RX-79G]

You said the owner posted an explanation which he did not. This was a random review from amazon. We know nothing about the person or their knowledge of knives. We all know you always will side with the customer and defend them no matter what the the claim, company or the site it came from. Its kinda your signature. I still have hope that one day you will acknowledge people have a different opinion and way of looking at these situations and that they have no obligation to see things the way you do. You think the speculation is ridiculous. But I would wager a few would see white knighting for a nameless, faceless individual who very well could be lying or even uneducated on the subject equally absurd. Again I have seen too much dishonesty in this hobby right here on this forum to just trust the word of some random customer from amazon.

The owner posted an explanation - in his Amazon review. Whether it was posted on BF or a different website hardly matters, because you can post lies anywhere you like on the internet.


If you would prefer to start with the belief that most people are lying, then why read anything on this anonymous website? Every time someone posts that they find their knife is hard to sharpen or they got some rust spots - call them a liar and be done with it.


It isn't like the reviewer made some sort of crazy claim. He HAMMERED his knife into a block of wood, and it chipped while doing so. This happens all the time, and 3V steel is not automatically immune to abuse damage.


This whole thread is, of course, unimportant speculation because it is only one knife. No manufacturer reputations are at risk, no matter what the cause. Which makes me wonder why you even have to go down the road of impugning the source of the story at all.


Calling everyone a liar all the time is bad manners.