Cold Steel= flat out liars

who else offers: folders, straight blades, slipjoints, machetes, swords, hawks, spears etc. in a variety of styles.
Some products are better deals than others, i.e. DEALS WRAPPED IN BARGAINS, to coin a phrase. Count me in for another person that doesn't understand the vitriol heaped on CS.
BTW people do read down to the last post on threads................
 
leatherbird said:
...shoddy Cold Steel items, says something about their Q.C.! And their warranties don't seem to mean much either.
Everything I ever bought from Cold Steel was first rate for what I wanted it for. Cold Steel reps say that everything that goes out is carefully inspected and that the knicks and dings people claim are, in their experience, things that happen to the knife once it leaves the factory. They argue that their overhead is so little (probably because of marketing DVDs) that if they took the time to repair everything that was done by somebody else, they'd be working full time to repair them.

I can't speak for their honesty in that regard, but my own experience is that every Cold Steel knife I've ever seen new has been impressively well done. I've gotten what looks like a polishing burn on a blade every now and again, but it buffs out easily by hand using a little Semichrome and a rag.

Far from being sub-par, I've found Cold Steel's serrations to be among the best I've ever used. They saw through envelopes, bones, joints and packaging and virtually never need sharpening after the toughest of chores. And the serrations aren't bumpy like others I've used. The Zytel handles are amazing. They don't scratch, conduct heat or cold, warp and the lockups are proven tough by Cold Steel's own testing; one wonders why other knife makers or knife magazines never test lockups? How much pressure or pounds is required to cause other knives to fail? As users, it's not financially feasible for us to test them. Shall we wait until we're using them in a rough and hard way and see three of our fingers layng at our feet before we know that our EDC wasn't up to the task?

Cold Steel's Recon-1 is lacking, IMO, because the locking switch can be reached if grappling with an oppenent--not a good thing--but the Voyagers and the Voyager Tantos you can use with as much confidence as any folding knife anywhere, plus the blade is strong enough for prying, cutting through seatbelts or penetrating leather and light steel. I wouldn't try that with my Benchmade Ascent. My massive CRKT tanto, perhaps, but that's about the only contender I'd trust.

In short, I'd have to see a mangled finish on a CS blade from the factory before I'd believe it. And as someone who's bought dozens of Cold Steels over the past year, I can say hey, take your choice. With CRKT dropping from AUS6 to AUS4 and putting out crappy 420 blades, I'm not going to be complaining about AUS8, either. It's worked out fine for me. Spyderco may also have its fans, and they put out good knives, but for the most part you get a very sharp small blade at the end of a big handle and pay a sizable amount for it. I can't see the advanage there, either.

There's little to be gained in despising a company because of its marketing. It means they like knives, that they believe knives should be a known quantity, like guns. You shouldn't have to be in the middle of an emergency to find out if your knife is made to handle extreme stress.

I already know. I saw it on their video.


Cofed
 
I have owned several Cold Steel knives and for the money they are quite good.

A lot of the bad feeling about Cold Steel is because of Lynn Thompson, who overplayed his hand with the hype. If he had marketed his knives as what they are---good, solid working knives----maube not better, but certainly as good or better than most factory knives at the same price--a lot of people would not be complaining. Now it is just like the dog vs. cat crowd. Knife lovers are very opinionated folks.

It is like the .308 Winchester round. Sure it is not glamorous, and sure there are more powerful rounds, and sure, a lot of gun writers say there is better, but it will always get that elk.
 
Confederate said:
Either that's the most brilliant piece of satiric writing I've read in a long time, or you really need to get out more.

With CRKT dropping from AUS6 to AUS4 and putting out crappy 420 blades, I'm not going to be complaining about AUS8, either. It's worked out fine for me.
If it's a choice between 440A or AUS8 vs VG-10, for $50, give me a Spyderco any day of the week.

Spyderco may also have its fans, and they put out good knives, but for the most part you get a very sharp small blade at the end of a big handle and pay a sizable amount for it. I can't see the advanage there, either.
Spyderco has about a bizillion different models, and your description only applies to a few. But even then, you're completely missing the point.

Take a knife like the Dodo. Big handle, little blade. The knife is not designed to have a big blade. The blade is exactly the size it was meant to be. So why should a knife with a small blade be limited with a small handle? Maybe you want a small handle (so buy a Meerkat or Cricket) to match the small blade. But that's not the Dodo. You get a full 4 finger grip handle with the Dodo.

Same with the Paramilitary. The knife was made for people who liked the Military, but for some reason or another, the knife was too big (for example, the Paramilitary is under Colorado's 3.5" legal blade length limit, whereas the Military is not). But again, why should the shorter blade be saddled with a too-small handle?

My Benchmade 705 and Spyderco Calypso Jr. are almost exactly the same size. However, the Calypso Jr. fits my hand so much better than the 705, which feels like it's too damn small. There's more to a knife than its blade:handle ratio.

And to really plant your foot directly into your mouth, take a look at Spyderco's Eduard Bradichansky Shabaria. Highest blade:handle ratio of any folding knife.
 
I bought my paramilitary precisely because of the oversized handle, since my hand doesn't fit that well on most 3 inch blade handles.
 
Cofed, It seems you've had good dealing with Cold Steel,that has not been my experience.Several buddies are over there in the fight and there experience with CS parallels mine.Even something as seemingly miniscule as having to polish up,flitz,whatever,a NIB CS (tooling marks,scratches,etc) seems to say something about their quality control. :thumbdn:
 
sad to hear cold steel's quality and customer service has gone down the tubes...

had excellent service from my laminated steel tanto purchased in 81 era.

talk about holding an edge. I've chopped hard oak logs without losing much sharpness. extremely pleased with performance!!!
 
Artfully Martial said:
They ripped off the axis lock, period.
The axis lock was a rip-off from the REKAT lock design for the Sifu knife.

Benchmade bought the rights to the lock when REKAT *after* went under, but they don't use that design. Cold Steel PAYS royalities to BM but the ultra lock was supposed to be different from BM's. My guess is BM bought the rights trying to strifle the competion.

BTW, it is not a rip-off if they pay royalities.
 
Clint Simpson said:
The axis lock was a rip-off from the REKAT lock design for the Sifu knife.

Benchmade bought the rights to the lock when REKAT *after* went under, but they don't use that design. Cold Steel PAYS royalities to BM but the ultra lock was supposed to be different from BM's. My guess is BM bought the rights trying to strifle the competion.

Companies go out of business and their intellectual property gets sold off all the time. They bought it so they could profit from it or someone else would have.
 
Clint Simpson said:
The axis lock was a rip-off from the REKAT lock design for the Sifu knife.
Do you mean Benchmade's rolling lock? I thought the axis lock was licensed from McHenry and Williams. Argh, I'm getting confused!
 
The axis was licensed from McH & W. Benchmade bought the rolling lock from REKAT and use it themselves now in a Red line folder or two.

It's no good saying 'my experience was good', 'my experience with Cold Steel was bad', if we don't specify which Cold Steel. We should all realize by now that they have different levels of quality at different price points.

The Carbon V and AUS-8 offerings are generally pretty good. Some models are now Carbon V that had been made of lesser steels, like the ODA, and that confuses the issue.
 
I made a bad experience with a Cold Steel Mini Tac. It's an inexpensive and lightweight Neck Knife that I carried with me approximately 8-10 times for jogging. The knife seemed to be okay for the price (I never used it much) but the sheath sucked. Sweat and the concussions of running caused the sheath to release the blade and the knife slipped out. I didn't notice it instantly and received a long cut on my belly. Luckily, it was only a superficial one. After this I had no use for it any more. Yet I can't sell it because it would be a danger to its future owner.

If I remember correctly, someone here on BladeForums said that it's not the knife that makes a Neck Knife but the sheath. I totally agree with that. A defective or insecure sheath renders a neck knife useless. It's like selling a blade designed for chopping with a brittle steel. Other neck knives I own and took with me jogging came with a proper kydex sheath (Camillus CQB Junior and Becker BK11) and never had this problem.

This experience with the Cold Steel Mini Tac really made me reconsider my wish for a Voyager X2 although I've read many good things about the Voyager series.
 
quinque voces said:
I made a bad experience with a Cold Steel Mini Tac. It's an inexpensive and lightweight Neck Knife that I carried with me aproximatly 8-10 times for jogging. The knife seemed to be okay for the price (I never used it much) but the sheath sucked

Have you tried calling CS customer service? I bet if you call and explain your situation they will send you a sheath for free. I'm suprised to hear so many negative remarks about their customer service. Anytime I have a problem, no matter how small it may be I get top notch service. I have been dealing with CS since the beginning. I will admit that their CS was not that impressive just 3 or 4 years ago. Since then I think it's back to where it used to be. I always like to speak to the head cheese when I call. I believe the man in charge of the customer service department is named Miguel. He's the man at CS. He will take care of your problem or die trying, atleast that's been my experience with the man. Give customer service a call.
 
Originally Posted by 2katana
Have you tried calling CS customer service? I bet if you call and explain your situation they will send you a sheath for free.

Probably they would, but I won't carry that Neck Knife again. It's just too risky.
I'd rather write a cheap knife off than take another chance.
 
quinque voces said:
Probably they would, but I won't carry that Neck Knife again. It's just too risky.
I'd rather write a cheap knife off than take another chance.

I had the same thing happen to a desperado that I was carrying as neck
knife. It fell out of it's sheath in front of the co-workers. So after that when
ever I carry a neck knife a small piece of tape covers the blade at the holster
to hold it in.
 
I have neck knives that aren't going to fall out, period. Others would. The best is a Kit Carson F4 that has a screw on either side of the opening to adjust the tension. If I want a tighter grip, I've got it. You can drill a hole and use a Chicago screw to do this.
 
I will say this about Spyderco. They do in fact test their locks to the point of breaking. As I understand it, Sal also buys other knives for the purpose of breaking as well. The only difference is Sal doesn't publish the results.

As for being a rabid fan of another company, I'm not- though I carry 3 bucks with me at the moment. I don't like CS because of the guy who runs it. Period. I don't buy their products either for this reason. The great thing about America is the choices we have. He's a prick, so I don't support his company. Maybe they're good "for what they are," but with other companies, I feel good about the ownership and don't have to look at the product as "pretty good for what I paid." When Opinels are $8, why would I spend $30-$50 on a product that's only okay?

-Anthony
 
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