Cold Steel= flat out liars

shotgunner11 said:
I'm well aware of the fact that Camillus made knives for CS.
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O.K., so how was Cold Steel detrimental to Camillus as you thought in post #867? Follow this logic- Cold Steel contracts out for a ton of products from Camillus- Camillus makes products- Cold Steel buys products- Camillus makes a lot of money.

Shocking isn't it;).


Yes, many makers use the violence aspect to sell their knives. They also sell about a quarter of the knives that cold steel does. CS is also the only company that is willing to send their advertizing DVD to anyone who requests it, thus they reach a much broader audience with the nonsence.
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So, Cold Steel is to be hated because they are successful? Cold Steel markets knives to people, and does it well, get over it. Plenty of companies play up the "deadly tactical-ness" of their knives, you even admit it in your post. What, they get a pass because they are smaller, and friendlier, while Lynn is a surly hypeman?

I'd like to think you were smart enough to take my remark about chubby men dancing in the right context, sorry I overestimated your reading ability.
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No, you were trying to get in a dig at people,
 
I believe Vivi posted pictures of batoning with an Opinel. It's all in how you do it. Finesse instead of brute force. We're not chopping down redwoods here, just splitting a fallen branch to get to the dry center and smaller pieces.

Like shotgunner11 said, "It is a technique that is most suited to survival situations and times when the amount of wood that needs splitting is not great enough to warrent the packing of an axe."
 
When this thread hits 1000 posts, it's getting locked, simply because a 3 year old thread isn't really covering any new ground, and the server load on it is too high. Feel free to continue Cold Steel discussion in a new thread
 
bob bowie said:
O.K., so how was Cold Steel detrimental to Camillus as you thought in post #867? Follow this logic- Cold Steel contracts out for a ton of products from Camillus- Camillus makes products- Cold Steel buys products- Camillus makes a lot of money.

Shocking isn't it;).




So, Cold Steel is to be hated because they are successful? Cold Steel markets knives to people, and does it well, get over it. Plenty of companies play up the "deadly tactical-ness" of their knives, you even admit it in your post. What, they get a pass because they are smaller, and friendlier, while Lynn is a surly hypeman?



No, you were trying to get in a dig at people,
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Ok Bob, subsitute Camillus with one of the other american makers that have recently gone out of business. My logic is still sound, do you think Camillus wouldn't have made more money off of direct sales as apposed to subcontracting.

If you can read all these pages of disscussion and the only criticism you feel is justified is that Cold Steel is sucessful, theres no convincing you. If you can't see the logic of going after the biggest offender when it comes to the stupidity of giving the antis ammunition to hang us in court with, I give up.

And lastly, yes, I was getting in a dig at someone. Thank you for calling me out on something that I don't feel the least little bit bad about.

And thanks for showing your own maturity level by questioning my sexuality, helps me guage the intilect I'm dealing with.
 
Spark said:
When this thread hits 1000 posts, it's getting locked, simply because a 3 year old thread isn't really covering any new ground, and the server load on it is too high. Feel free to continue Cold Steel discussion in a new thread
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Looks like I have one of the highest post counts in this thread.

Spark is 100% correct in the fact that nothing new is coming out of this. I've posted the same arguments at least 3 seperate times thruout this thread.

I'm done with it.

I appologize to anyone I've offended during the course of this thread. It's just internet ramble, please don't take it personally.
 
Spark said:
When this thread hits 1000 posts, it's getting locked, simply because a 3 year old thread isn't really covering any new ground, and the server load on it is too high. Feel free to continue Cold Steel discussion in a new thread
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I think the mods have just been combining the various Cold steel threads into this one "garbage" thread to minimize clutter. so it is actually several threads on the same topic merged together.
 
shotgunner11 said:
Ok Bob, subsitute Camillus with one of the other american makers that have recently gone out of business.
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I can only think of two majors, Camillus and Schrade. And they were'nt hurt by Cold Steel, they were hurt buy mis-management, cheap imports, and a failure to adapt.

By cheap imports I don't mean Cold Steel, and the other mid-level brands, but Taylor and Frost, and the real cheap stuff. Schrade and Camillus for years, made the bulk of their money from traditionals and contract knives. When they (Taylor, Frost, etc.....) started importing $3-10 Chinese slop, that probably hurt them more than anything a mid-level importer like Cold Steel could ever do.

My logic is still sound, do you think Camillus wouldn't have made more money off of direct sales as apposed to subcontracting.
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Not if they didn't make a design people wanted. A person who wants a Cold Steel isn't going to run to Camillus unless they can get something very similar to what they wanted in the first place.
 
I will be soon receiving a cold steel sisu, I traded it for a very reputable knife, and had the option of a lightly used custom. in trade as well, the custom didn't fit my style.

I decided on this knife, against my negative impression of cold steel products. and they're decidedly onerous, reputation in this forum. partially due to, its seemingly high trade value, compared to the lowest Internet price for this knife, also looks fairly well-made, and very well finished.

I found a link to the manufacturer of vg-1 the same company that makes VG 10, not a lot of information, it's certainly not sg2 which the company also makes. but it is specifically made for cutlery, and according to the company has a good combination of characteristics.http://www.e-tokko.com/eng_vg1.htm if you hit the back to the top link, at the bottom of this page, you can get an interesting overview of all the steals made by this company. I couldn't for the life of me find, a good review of vg-1 or at the sisu. but the general impression, I gathered is that it is at the very least a well constructed knife.

I don't think it's a bad choice in my case, I was looking for about $175 trade value, and would have taken less,

I wish it didn't have cold steel engraving and quite so boldly. but it will be my first, mirror polished exhibition style blade, I'm actually quite interested to see it.

It does bother me a little bit, that an obscure, make carbon steel, with good all-around characteristics, is seen as the perfect fit for a clad. arrangement where. high wear resistance, should be the number one priority.

it does seem that generally, cold steals following. is not in the mainstream of highly educated knife nuts. whose sophistication does not, go well with cold steals ad campaigns,

this does not necessarily mean they can make, a very refined exhibition piece.
 
shotgunner11 said:
If you can read all these pages of disscussion and the only criticism you feel is justified is that Cold Steel is sucessful, theres no convincing you. If you can't see the logic of going after the biggest offender when it comes to the stupidity of giving the antis ammunition to hang us in court with, I give up.
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No, there is a lot you can be annoyed at Cold Steel for, but I'm not going to blindly attack Cold Steel for doing something others are also doing. As far as Cold Steel's advertising, they are in the middle as far as taste goes.

As far as Anti-knife stuff goes, it's 2007, not 1985. Any smart attorney with a internet connection can make most knives look bad, and any tactical knife.

Attorney: You defended yourself with a Camillus CQB knife?

Defendant: yes.

Attorney: And CQB stands for what?

D: Um.

Attorney: It stands for Close Quarters Battle doesn't it?

D: Yeah.

Attorney: So you stabbed my client Mike D. Methhead with a deadly battle knife.

That's just one scenario, you can replace that model with any model you like, and most of the tactical knife classes offered by many knife makers, and the result will be the same. At a certain point, you just have to butch up and except that the the anti's will twist anything we do.


And lastly, yes, I was getting in a dig at someone. Thank you for calling me out on something that I don't feel the least little bit bad about.
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So it's ok for you to get a dig in at people who disagree with you, but when they dig back it's not right?

And thanks for showing your own maturity level by questioning my sexuality, helps me guage the intilect I'm dealing with.
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You're the guy who mentioned getting off to large hairy men in your post. Please keep your Lynn Thompson man-crush to yourself if you don't want people mentioning it.

P.S. I find it funny that you can't spell intellect, but you question mine:).
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Broken while batoning wood to make a fire. Standard procedure in the woods, not only in winter. High carbon knives should not fail doing this. ... Still, Cold Steel snapped. It's not indestructible.
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No, it's not indestructible. Still, under what exact circumstances did the blades snap? There was a Tanto Recon that was broken and another model. Both had apparently snapped while batonning, which means they were being used as pry bars or, more specifically, timber splitting. I've seen the photos before, but I've not heard the stories of the demise and I'm afraid, here, a picture is not necessarily worth a thousand words.

I'm not sure that "high carbon knives should not fail doing this." Much depends on the density of the logs being split, at what point the blade was inserted and what sort of force was being applied to the knife to get the split.

I've not heard of the Tanto Recon failing in any other circumstances, but if they have, I'd think there would be reports all over the Internet.

If I were in an extreme survival situation, I certainly would not risk a knife by using it to split beams. Stripping bark, chopping kindling and clearing a little brush, yes, but not as a prybar.

As for the Recon Tanto, I personally like the knife, though it's not my favorite. It is light weight, easy to carry and generally very strong.

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Confederate said:
No, it's not indestructible. Still, under what exact circumstances did the blades snap? There was a Tanto Recon that was broken and another model. Both had apparently snapped while batonning, which means they were being used as pry bars or, more specifically, timber splitting. I've seen the photos before, but I've not heard the stories of the demise and I'm afraid, here, a picture is not necessarily worth a thousand words.
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So even proof is not proof. Sort of like his own videos that conclusively demonstrate ... what?

By the way, batoning isn't prying. It does benefit from a certain familiarity with good technique. But the CS knives in question did have a design problem.
 
but a dealer send me one of the CS vids

and i kinda wonder when the funny fat dude is gonna get his hand hung on the meathook everytime he slices a slab of meat

THAT i'd like to see fer a change hahahaha!
 
Cs steel knives break I didn't say they didn't.All knives break if I take a sledge hammer to any knife what do you think would happen?.I just mean other brand knives would break first.
 
gine said:
I just mean other brand knives would break first.
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Quite possibly. Frost Cutlery and United Cutlery immediately come to mind. Don't know if I'd consider that to be the basis for a successful advertising campaign, however. ;)
 
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