Cold Steel= flat out liars

Hello from Germany.

I found this forum because in germany I can not find good information on combat knifes and knife combat.

Its hard to legally buy a gun here - I own several but it is strikly forbitten to carry one.

So why not carry a knife for defense? LT helped to understand that there is more than firearms.

Ok, we have a lot of german companies producing excellent knifes.

But I feel, the CS design is superior in some way. Its the use of modern material (grip from neopren) and the simple no-nonsense design.

OK, the DVD movies are sometimes quite silly but I like the instructional videos although there are REALLY expensive at this side of the ocean. (About 200 USD for the Knife Fighting Video).

Even the knifes are much more expensive in europe but I really like a number of these knives.

OK, there are some much better made knives and there are knives made from far better steel - but I don´t want to pay 1000 Euro just for a knife.

For me, CS isn´t the best knife in the world - but it´s a good knife to carry everyday. In germany I find CS is to expansive and I prefer to buy used CS knife.

After all, I don´t know if Lynn or his friends and employes are good christians but I like their products. I carry a concealed Tanto San Mai 9" and when the day arrives we have the german 9/11 I will cut the head from the islam terrorist with this knife to help him seeing the green grass much better.

I feel I have to apologize for my bad english - sorry ,,,,,,,
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Tell you what, come to the Sold Steel Challenge this month
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:D

DngrRuss1 said:
find me or LT, and call me the same names. See what happens.
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So both you and LT like to solve their problems with violence? That's nice to know; I'll never visit a CS Challenge then.

DngrRuss1 said:
Truthfully, while I wasn't trying to hide, I sure didn't think that some of you would go to such lengths to "out" me.
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I've never been a fan of "internet detectives", but are you kidding me? If two google searchs is "going to such lengths", then you certainly have no idea how much can be found about any of us by someone who wants to. The internet has its price.

DngrRuss1 said:
It is easy to use the keyboard to call me or CS a bunch of liars.
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Yes. It certainly is much harder to do so in front of a lawsuit-happy company / violent individual / government and corporate strongarm intimidation.

You see, the internet, television, radio, and the written word have been allowing people to say what they want without threat of personal injury or ruined lives for a few millennia now. You might want to get used to it.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Look, I don't want to come off like a angry threatening wingnut... okay, maybe a little...

But how many times am I supposed to just sit back and relax while the haters run rampant and impugn my rep and my integrity?
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by all means you have every right to defend yourself. i didn't say anything against you and have no beef with you so please keep your generalizations to yourself :)

thor_of_asgard said:
Hello from Germany.

I found this forum because in germany I can not find good information on combat knifes and knife combat.

Its hard to legally buy a gun here - I own several but it is strikly forbitten to carry one.

So why not carry a knife for defense? LT helped to understand that there is more than firearms.

Ok, we have a lot of german companies producing excellent knifes.

But I feel, the CS design is superior in some way. Its the use of modern material (grip from neopren) and the simple no-nonsense design.

OK, the DVD movies are sometimes quite silly but I like the instructional videos although there are REALLY expensive at this side of the ocean. (About 200 USD for the Knife Fighting Video).

Even the knifes are much more expensive in europe but I really like a number of these knives.

OK, there are some much better made knives and there are knives made from far better steel - but I don´t want to pay 1000 Euro just for a knife.

For me, CS isn´t the best knife in the world - but it´s a good knife to carry everyday. In germany I find CS is to expansive and I prefer to buy used CS knife.

After all, I don´t know if Lynn or his friends and employes are good christians but I like their products. I carry a concealed Tanto San Mai 9" and when the day arrives we have the german 9/11 I will cut the head from the islam terrorist with this knife to help him seeing the green grass much better.

I feel I have to apologize for my bad english - sorry ,,,,,,,
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dude that was the best post i read in this thread. no need to apologize for your english its good enough to understand :thumbup:

especially that part about helping bastards see the greener side of the grass :)

cheers
 
DngrRuss1 said:
But how many times am I supposed to just sit back and relax while the haters run rampant and impugn my rep and my integrity?
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You're the one who made yourself part of this.

I'm a private citizen. If a man walks up to me and flashes a camera in my face, I don't have to allow it. If he does it to a "celebrity", they do: they have much less expectation of privacy before the law, because they seek publicity professionally.

You came here to defend Cold Steel, knowing what its reputation was and seeing how we interact here. Don't act shocked all of a sudden that people who don't know you say bad things about you? Grow a skin.
 
OK, this thread has a little bit of everything else, let's get the lawyers in, too. :)

Sure, anyone can photograph anyone, but let's get back to context: he better not make a project of following me around doing it -- that's why I compared it to photographing a celebrity.
 
bob bowie said:
What if a more "deserving" company does'nt make a product you like? Would you have rathered Cold Steel move everything off-shore? Offhand, at the end Camillus was the contractor for the Cold Steel carbon fixed blades, traditional line, and Arc Angel series.



They are just a tiny bit worse than the other the tactical makers in this regard. Goofy names, and pimping the "deadly-ness" of your products has always been a part of that market.



Just a tad worse than having CQB, CQC, infidel, etc...... named knives. Heck most of the major tactical players now have classes to teach you how to use their designs better.



I'm more into girls, but if you like to wack your bag to portly, hirsute men. please feel free.
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I'm well aware of the fact that Camillus made knives for CS.


Yes, many makers use the violence aspect to sell their knives. They also sell about a quarter of the knives that cold steel does. CS is also the only company that is willing to send their advertizing DVD to anyone who requests it, thus they reach a much broader audience with the nonsence.

I'd say that makes them the bigger offender.


I'd like to think you were smart enough to take my remark about chubby men dancing in the right context, sorry I overestimated your reading ability.
 
BTW

which double bladed knife would be of better quality or better "value" than the CS tai pan to your opinion?

I am looking for a new dagger and have problems in making a decision.
 
thor_of_asgard said:
BTW

which double bladed knife would be of better quality or better "value" than the CS tai pan to your opinion?

I am looking for a new dagger and have problems in making a decision.
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Welcome to Bladeforums! Start a new thread for that question; this one is about other things. :)
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Well, screw all of you. Get a life. I find it a tad creepy that you keyboard badasses have spent some time and effort researching me and trying to find out more about me personally while maintaining your own anonymity. Tell you what, come to the Sold Steel Challenge this month, find me or LT, and call me the same names. See what happens.
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Talk about a keyboard badass. Even taking into account the names that you have been called, that is really pathetic.
 
OK enough.
(Consider this a warning).

This forum is for the discussion of knives.

Stupid threats should not be part of that discussion.

Nor should name calling be a part of the discussion.

Both need to stop at this point.

Thanks.

Gus
 
SlamFire said:
I had never heard of battoning until I got on this forum. It does not make sense to me to use hard cutlery grade steel as a wood splitting wedge. It is a misapplication and I am surprised that any knives hold up.
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Well then, I suppose the good news for you is, if you really do end up taking to this cutlery hobby, then there's an entirely new class of knives, both custom and production, available that will really impress you with their capabilities. :)
 
I'd pass on trying it with the Trailmaster. That being said, a good axe is always best at the job of splitting or chopping wood. Problem is, sometimes folks have to make do with what they've got on hand. There are also limitations to how much gear a person can reasonably carry with them in a given situation. For this reason, it's often the practice that backcountry trekkers will try to seek out versatile tools that are capable of accomplishing numerous tasks. They may not necessarily be as efficient at each task as the corresponding single purpose tools, but they strike an excellent compromise where space and weight constraints exist. For this reason, it can be helpful for people to know that there exist a multitude of hard use knives that will stand up to batonning all day long. It may be that none of them are marketed by Cold Steel, but they exist nonetheless, often times for roughly a third of the price you quoted.
 
Bastid said:
OK enough.
(Consider this a warning).

This forum is for the discussion of knives.

Stupid threats should not be part of that discussion.

Nor should name calling be a part of the discussion.

Both need to stop at this point.

Thanks.

Gus
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First- thank you. I am more than happy to try to keep this "debate" civil.

Perhaps I should apologize for any threat posted here- but my point is that it is really easy to call someone a liar, or a thief with a lot of supposition and conjecture. Calling someone a liar is legally actionable for a reason. Calling someone a thief is legally actionable for a reason. They require more than just an opinion, they require concrete facts.

Now, as easy as it is to call names online, reputations can be damaged. Especially when someone like LT, and now myself, do not get the same benefit of anonymity. I have never been anything other than what I have stated- yet it seems more important to the detractors to attack me personally than to dispute my direct information from CS. It is just like modern politics- attack the man since it is easier than to attack his positions.

It just annoys me- not only here but in the public arena as well, that some feel the need to inflame from behind cover rather than having the intestinal fortitude to do it live and in person. I love a debate. I love a challenge. I am willing to step up and defend my position. Shame that many others do not.
 
The merits of battoning have been muled over and digested so many times in the Wilderness and survival forum, you could write a book with the threads.

The common consensus has been, for the most part that, while its not a technique that one should use on a regular basis, and an axe is a much better tool to be used in that situation, most people have said that they like to have a knife capable of battoning.

It is a technique that is most suited to survival situations and times when the amount of wood that needs splitting is not great enough to warrent the packing of an axe.

With that said, I batton my Becker very regularly with almost no ill effects. The only signs of wear are in the blade coating and a few bad chips in the edge from hitting rocks in the dirt when going through the peice of wood being split.
 
Used my F1 to baton some firewood a few years back. Logs were damp from days of rain & I wanted to expose the drier wood in the center. Took some effort, and later follow-up use of wood wedges, on the bigger logs, but it was more than doable. Sure an Axe would of worked better, but we did not have one.

From what I remember on the Cold Steel knives breaking during batoning, it had something to do about improper stress risers near the juncture of tang & blade. As that was a bit ago, maybe Cold Steel has corrected the issue.
 
I think I have seen a picture of newer trailmasters with a radius at that junction.

Good to know their working on improving the products.
 
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