Cold Steel= flat out liars

Znode don't be so snoody you take it all to the head you quoted allmost everything I said my spelling is pre-teen so I not a writer I don't care about all the fancey ;',.[]-=((*&%$# little simbols and astrises and jibberish crap I don't have the time you have to add a the little details I'm just getting my "(opinion across)",*^$#@ oh am I missing something sorry.
 
Confederate said:
Both had apparently snapped while batonning, which means they were being used as pry bars or, more specifically, timber splitting.
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[quoteIf I were in an extreme survival situation, I certainly would not risk a knife by using it to split beams. Stripping bark, chopping kindling and clearing a little brush, yes, but not as a prybar.[/quote]

No, not prying. The technique is (and was in the case I recall being discussed on BF) to rest the sharpened edge on the wood perpendicular to the surface of the wood and to hit the back of the blade with another piece of wood (Not a "sledge hammer," gine.) This is to cause the blade to cut the wood. If the wood is thick enough and the blade relatively thick enough (and the wood being "split" is not American Elm), some splitting may occur, as opposed to cutting. Please see "froe."

And if life depends on getting to dry wood inside a wet exterior, do you preserve your knife from any risk or use it, with proper technique?

I've have batoned wood many times over fiorty years with no adverse results, with knives from an HI khukuri to a flimsy Official BSA slip joint. Fortunately, only twice was it for anything but practice "just in case."

I'm not sure that "high carbon knives should not fail doing this." Much depends on the density of the logs being split, at what point the blade was inserted and what sort of force was being applied to the knife to get the split.
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I take your point about variables. The issue of frozen wood and/or baton has been legitimately raised. But how hard would you have to squarely hit the spine of a 5/16" thick piece of tool steel to break it with a piece of wood under "normal conditions"? Not chip it or turn the edge, but to break it into two or more pieces. Laterally, sure. Through the width of the blade? Hard to see how it can happen without other forces being at work.

The froe I own is only 1/4" thick -- unknown carbon steel/unknown age/unknown maker. Probably locally made by a blacksmith in the Russellvilel, Ky area. I just can't see it breaking in two from blows on the spine from a piece of wood. I have used it since 1968.

And, again, I like my CS knives. My Trailmaster has easily survived batoning, even Southern Yellow Pine.
 
SlamFire said:
For making shingles or thin slats of wood, that's the proper tool in its proper role.
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Just a generic steel blade being driven thorugh sections of tree with a wooden tool.

If you have the tools to cut logs into nice square ended chunks, like those in the broken tanto picture, why is battoning somehow a life/death or make/ break issue?
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According to the poster, the wood was provided at the site. Doubtless cut by chainsaw -- in the posession of others. The campers wanted to reduce the wood to smaller pieces -- with a thick steel blade being driven through sections of log with a wooden tool.

In fact why is battoning a life/death make/break issue by which knife design is to be judged?
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It is not, so far as I can tell. Most of my knives are folders and I don't judge them to be unacceptable because they are less capable of that task. As to the 4-5" fixed-blades I carry when backpacking around here, I just prefer a blade capable of batoning if required. Since thousands of knives are capale of this modestly-challenging task, that preference is easily met. Your preference is your own.

I used to look around for kindling, built the fire up, way before I tossed the yule log on the fire. Worked quite well. The trick was to get a good bed of coals so you could cook over them without having a lot of air blown sinder get in your food.
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Sounds good to me.
 
Would anyone take fallkniven laminate fixed blades over cold steels a why?
 
gine said:
Would anyone take fallkniven laminate fixed blades over cold steels a why?
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Fallkniven makes knives that are uniformly regarded by knowledgeable persons as being of very high quality. Fallkniven published the testing that showed the laminated SS to be stronger than the straight VG10.

Beyond that, it's a matter of taste, for which there is no accounting.
 
Hey, just wondering, why doesnt it say that I have the first post on this thread anymore, I created this thread, and my question was the first post, but now my question/post is gone and someone else has the first post.
 
John79 said:
Hey, just wondering, why doesnt it say that I have the first post on this thread anymore, I created this thread, and my question was the first post, but now my question/post is gone and someone else has the first post.
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You have been superseded.:eek: By the merging of many Cold Steel threads.:D
 
Every CS knife that I have had, I just got a used Recon Tanto that still cuts like a beast by the way, even as low priced as the Bushman, has been great. They hold a good edge. They chop well. I can build a fast shelter with them. I can gut fish and game. Shit, I can even shave with them and use them in my kitchen. I have never had any difficulty sharpening them. What more do I need to ask for in a knife? Nothing more in my opinion. Great knives.
 
having several of their knives made by diff manufacturers anyway, the anti cold steel ppl obviously dont know what they are talking about

the only valid thing to have against CS is that that fat guy from the vids is annoying to hilarious and i'd be pissed too if my special knife design got ripped

but those two facts got nothing to do with the knives themselves

so the anti CS ppl are just hysterical and hyped up
 
Hyped up almost as badly as the rabid Dark ops haters. That overlook the fact that you can wedge a Dark Ops folder blade in between concrete blocks and stand on it without harming the knife, yet its a super big deal if a different brand can withstand this. That act like using a high performance sword to take "around 80 hard chops" to cut through a Dark Ops folder's thick aluminium handle while "only putting dings" in the swords blade edge is a torture test of the Dark Ops. Wonder how many hard swings by a huge man with that sword that cleaved bricks in half with one blow a Spyderco or Benchmade or even a Kershaw folder would have taken to half it?
These brands of knives (Cold Steel-Dark Ops) are not hated by so many here and made out to be much worse than they really are not because of the performance of the knives themselves, but because of the way Frank and Lynn beat their chests and act like what they have is vastly superior to anything else. That sort of behaviour just brings out the hate in people. (OK, why some people IMO don't like some brands this of course doesn't mean everybody that dislikes or hates them)
 
I don't mind when people tell me why they believe something, but I really, really hate it when they tell me why I believe something.

Grow up, see the world, go to work, get a clue.
 
I don't have time to be a Dark Ops hater, but a picture of a dangerously defective lock on a Dark Ops knife was posted here some months ago. Typical? Don't know, but how did it get past QC at Dark Ops? The lowtech Mark I Eyeball should have caught it.

I admit that I don't like how their knives look -- or ER's either, for that matter. Obviously, YMMV.

As for the ads, Dark Ops set a new standard in puerile advertising. When some of their drek was first posted, I thought it had been Photo-Shopped to hurt their reputation.
 
Thomas Linton said:
I don't have time to be a Dark Ops hater, but a picture of a dangerously defective lock on a Dark Ops knife was posted here some months ago. Typical? Don't know, but how did it get past QC at Dark Ops? The lowtech Mark I Eyeball should have caught it.

I admit that I don't like how their knives look -- or ER's either, for that matter. Obviously, YMMV.

As for the ads, Dark Ops set a new standard in puerile advertising. When some of their drek was first posted, I thought it had been Photo-Shopped to hurt their reputation.
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I saw that lock on that disassembled D.O. folder and with a 1/4" thick blade the way it looked (no metal touching) the blade wouldn't have stayed open even. Plus the locking bar if it had such lockup would have been raised way above the back of the knife. I have trouble believing that knife was shipped out like that. It's one thing to dislike a product because of the way it's advertised, another entirely to make it out to worse than it is just for the sake of it. Big deal a huge man halved a Dark Ops handle with 80 blows from a sword. That showed nothing besides the knife withstood a lot more than most folders ever could.
 
jill jackson said:
I saw that lock on that disassembled D.O. folder and with a 1/4" thick blade the way it looked (no metal touching) the blade wouldn't have stayed open even. Plus the locking bar if it had such lockup would have been raised way above the back of the knife. I have trouble believing that knife was shipped out like that. It's one thing to dislike a product because of the way it's advertised, another entirely to make it out to worse than it is just for the sake of it.
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Are you suggesting that the pictures of the defective lock were falsified?
 
Thomas Linton said:
Are you suggesting that the pictures of the defective lock were falsified?
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From what i could see of it the locking tab was all the way above the locking notch. I couldn't even see where there was even any metal contact at all. I just find it hard to believe that an over 200 dollar knife with a heavy 1/4 thick blade made it out the factory in that condition. For one if they even opened and closed the knife at the factory after it was together the blade would have had zero lockup. Another thing would be the locking bar would be at least 1/2" above the back of the knife. I certainly only viewed the pictures and have no other information on the entire story.
From what I've seen of Dark Ops folders they lockup extremely solidly and are a very thickly built folder. I've never examined a fixed blade D.O. but there was a thread here from a man who owned one that was very pleased with it's ruggedness and edge holding. I personally read the D.O. website with the testing of the folder long before I ever knew anything about all the controversy behind the brand. I may be young and not know a lot about marketing of potentially deadly weapons. But I came away thinking they were being marketed to swat teams and the military. Now I notice D.O. is the sponsor of the 2007 swat team championships. Maybe they are made to take a lot of abuse and hold up under very heavy use. All this laughing at them and not really testing them IMO is proving nothing. When the man that went by "Brownie" rammed his D.O. folder's blade between Stacked concrete blocks and balanced on one leg on the knives back with no damage to the knife people certainly implied it meant nothing and maybe was faked.
I'd like to see a full on test on a fixed blade D.O. and folder. The same sort of test any knife would be put through. Bottom line is there's just way too much hype by Dark Ops and the D.O. haters for me to say for certain if they are great knives or junk. Maybe noss should test them and see just what they are made of.
 
Holy crap, now Dark Ops and Cold Steel have merged into one super thread. Someone just needs to crack open that sixth seal & usher in Armageddon.
 
And Spyderco! What aobut Spyderco's customer service !?!?!? :confused:

And EKI !! What about Ernie Emerson's liner locks !?!? :eek:

Knives !!! Aughhh ... I'm switching to Webkinz :foot:
 
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