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Cold Steel= flat out liars
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DngrRuss1 said:Some think that long-windedness is a fault- to me, it's a way of life.
You are not long-winded--though it is an amusing suggestion--you are thorough. Thanks for the serious responses under fire. Fellows like you make the forum worthwhile. 3Guardsmen is smart and tough, and you were decent enough to address his legitimate concerns.
I just bought the latest issue of Tactical Knives, wherein Jerry Vancook highly praises the Black Sable, calling the thing one of the best folders he has used (I'm paraphrasing: the magazine is downstairs and I ain't making the trek, if you know what I mean...). I'll admit that in mildly pathetic fashion the review made me feel good. But it in no way affected my opinion of the knife, which I bought on pure impulse, before reading Vancook's positive critique. In fact, 1Katana's wacko behavior with his own "duplicate" Black Sable did more to get me excited about this knife than the professional review. Something about members of this site and their commitment to owning and using the best is really exciting--my friends are mostly gun guys; it's nice to find a knife fraternity. Now before I make a complete jerk of myself by breaking into a rousing performance of Coombaya, I'll say goodnight and keep the sharp comments coming!
Hello knife junkies. I had to change my forum name to 2katana from 1katana. I forgot my password and I could not retrieve it because the email address I used to register with is no longer active.
Thank you all for the nice comments in regards to my last post as 1katana. No I'm not crazy, at least that's what my shrink tells me. I was so bored today I actually went to a junkyard, if you've seen the more proof DVD you know what's coming next. I spoke with the owner and turns out he loves Cold Steel blades also. He was carrying a Shinobu folder that he purchased some 15 years ago.
Anyways, I asked him if I could try stabbing my Black Sable in a car hood. Of course he said yes. I thought this would be hard to do because of the curved blade. Boy was I wrong. The blade went through the hood so easily that I slammed my thumb on hood and was cut pretty badly. It looks like I may need a stitch or two, but I'll wait a day or so to see if these sterile strips work. When I removed the blade the only thing I noticed was the paint from the hood on the edge. There was a very, very, tiny nick on the tip. I took a stone to the edge and took care of that in no time.
Im done for now guys; my damn thumb is killing me. Good night.
Thank you all for the nice comments in regards to my last post as 1katana. No I'm not crazy, at least that's what my shrink tells me. I was so bored today I actually went to a junkyard, if you've seen the more proof DVD you know what's coming next. I spoke with the owner and turns out he loves Cold Steel blades also. He was carrying a Shinobu folder that he purchased some 15 years ago.
Anyways, I asked him if I could try stabbing my Black Sable in a car hood. Of course he said yes. I thought this would be hard to do because of the curved blade. Boy was I wrong. The blade went through the hood so easily that I slammed my thumb on hood and was cut pretty badly. It looks like I may need a stitch or two, but I'll wait a day or so to see if these sterile strips work. When I removed the blade the only thing I noticed was the paint from the hood on the edge. There was a very, very, tiny nick on the tip. I took a stone to the edge and took care of that in no time.
Im done for now guys; my damn thumb is killing me. Good night.
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Cougar Allen
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If you need stitches you need them now; a couple of days later is too late. Why don't you show it to a doctor and let him decide whether you need stitches or not?
Try stabbing a car with another knife or two before you decide the first knife you ever stabbed a car with must be wonderful.... (Any knife can penetrate a car; they are not much thicker than tin cans.)
Try stabbing a car with another knife or two before you decide the first knife you ever stabbed a car with must be wonderful.... (Any knife can penetrate a car; they are not much thicker than tin cans.)
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Geez, Cougar, you beat me to it. 
I jumped in my car and zipped down to the abandoned Ford that's been sitting in the woods for three years.
I attacked the hood with a genuine Fury lock back - the product of the finest Paki craftsmanship and a gift from a "friend." It is absolutely the worst "knife" that I own and is used to remove weeds in the lawn.
No cuts on my hand (I wore a gardening glove.
) but a series of 3/4" holes punched in the hood by the Fury's mighty "Surgical Steel" blade. (I do think the blade has more wobble than it had when gifted to me and it's not as "sharp" as is used to be.)
I really have to call the County again about towing that wreck away.
I jumped in my car and zipped down to the abandoned Ford that's been sitting in the woods for three years.
I attacked the hood with a genuine Fury lock back - the product of the finest Paki craftsmanship and a gift from a "friend." It is absolutely the worst "knife" that I own and is used to remove weeds in the lawn.
No cuts on my hand (I wore a gardening glove.
) but a series of 3/4" holes punched in the hood by the Fury's mighty "Surgical Steel" blade. (I do think the blade has more wobble than it had when gifted to me and it's not as "sharp" as is used to be.)I really have to call the County again about towing that wreck away.
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not to detract from the flame war too much....
I'd like to invite those interested in giving the Sable a shot, to sign up in the Passaround Forum - I started a thread there a while back - got interest, but still has a few openings left.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355137
As has been said by others - this is probably the only Cold Steel product I would consider buying. That it looks similar to a Tighe design is a compliment to Brian, not a ripoff. There are at least a half-dozen knifemakers out there making "Fowler Pronghorn Hunters" (which is an easily recognizable design) that aren't ripping off Ed's design. They just liked it so much, they wanted to try it for themselves. Some of them learned it from Ed himself. Not my cup-o-tea, but I would never dream of calling them ripoff artists.
Artfully Martial - hopefully, we'll get a passaround started soon, and you'll get your review.
I'd like to invite those interested in giving the Sable a shot, to sign up in the Passaround Forum - I started a thread there a while back - got interest, but still has a few openings left.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355137
As has been said by others - this is probably the only Cold Steel product I would consider buying. That it looks similar to a Tighe design is a compliment to Brian, not a ripoff. There are at least a half-dozen knifemakers out there making "Fowler Pronghorn Hunters" (which is an easily recognizable design) that aren't ripping off Ed's design. They just liked it so much, they wanted to try it for themselves. Some of them learned it from Ed himself. Not my cup-o-tea, but I would never dream of calling them ripoff artists.
Artfully Martial - hopefully, we'll get a passaround started soon, and you'll get your review.
DngrRuss1 said:
Well, no, you didn't, I don't think. Thanks for this wonderfully crafted post. :thumbup: I agree with you completely. I have quite a few knives, purchased for different purposes - edc, camping, hunting, etc. Some of them have been Cold Steel. While not my favorites, the Cold Steel products have performed just as well as the other higher end production knives, so I have no complaints. I won't even _consider_ sending one back on warranty when it fails to chop that engine block in half!
Good post, DngrRuss1.
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2katana said:Cougar, I took your advice and went to a doctor. I'm glad I did because it was worse than I thought. I actually needed 5 stitches. I know guys, I'm a dumbass.
A "dumbass" doesn't take good advice.... I'm glad that you're going to live, 2Katana. Now please consider the following: if you want a proper test of your now slightly beat-up Black Sable, head to the junkyard and use your other arm to drive the blade in question through the side of a '55 Buick. Modern vehicles are built of tin, as gentlemen here have plainly stated, but anything from the mid-fifties and older is going to be solid enough to prove your point (horrendous pun intended). And do try to remain in one piece--this forum needs enthusiastic lunatics like you.
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cs imho are good knives...ive sold many in the past and never had one complant..even thou i forge knives i own 2 and use a kukri machette daily as with its kraton handle a great buy for the money..lynn t. trys to make good knives even if personaly hes a pompus xxx..but i still respect his knives..
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RedEdge77 said:I was looking through the new cold steel magazine and it turns out that there coming out with another dvd like their mroe proof one.
Really? I just got their new catolog and I did not see anything about that. I guess I will have to check again. Is it the one with the Glock on the front?
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Hey guys,
So what's the beef with Cold Steel. I know not all of you have a beef, but some of you do. I've sensed a little hostility toward them. I have had many a knife in my hand and think that Cold Steel knives are very good. I was actually pleasantly surprised when I got one. It holds a great edge, has a comfortable handle and has a solid locking mechanism.
I agree that the More Proof DVD was a little Ginsu-ish. They didn't cut any shoes apart, but they did cut a 1/2" rope like 600 some times with a Voyager and 2' wide cardboard something like 1200 times with the Night Force. I thought those two demonstrations were the most useful. Cutting meat doesn't really do anything for me or the car hood thing, but some demonstrations were fine examples of every day use.
Is the DVD the reason? Has Benchmade or any other company tried the weights/vise thing on their folders and found that theirs held more? I don't know, I'm just asking.
I DO think it's commendable for a company to document it's products on video. I don't think being proud of your product makes you a "Complete Jerk" at all. Mr. Thompson seems like a confident guy, but that doesn't make him a loud mouth braggart. In the words of the worlds greatest bass player Jaco Pastorius, "It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they are the best knives in the world, but they are well built, use good materials, and come sharper and stay sharper than the other production Kershaw's, Buck's, Benchmade's and Spiderco's I've used (blasphemy, right?).
Anyway, just wondering what the deal was? I've had good luck. You may not have. Now it's your time to jive.
Steve
So what's the beef with Cold Steel. I know not all of you have a beef, but some of you do. I've sensed a little hostility toward them. I have had many a knife in my hand and think that Cold Steel knives are very good. I was actually pleasantly surprised when I got one. It holds a great edge, has a comfortable handle and has a solid locking mechanism.
I agree that the More Proof DVD was a little Ginsu-ish. They didn't cut any shoes apart, but they did cut a 1/2" rope like 600 some times with a Voyager and 2' wide cardboard something like 1200 times with the Night Force. I thought those two demonstrations were the most useful. Cutting meat doesn't really do anything for me or the car hood thing, but some demonstrations were fine examples of every day use.
Is the DVD the reason? Has Benchmade or any other company tried the weights/vise thing on their folders and found that theirs held more? I don't know, I'm just asking.
I DO think it's commendable for a company to document it's products on video. I don't think being proud of your product makes you a "Complete Jerk" at all. Mr. Thompson seems like a confident guy, but that doesn't make him a loud mouth braggart. In the words of the worlds greatest bass player Jaco Pastorius, "It ain't braggin' if you can back it up."
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they are the best knives in the world, but they are well built, use good materials, and come sharper and stay sharper than the other production Kershaw's, Buck's, Benchmade's and Spiderco's I've used (blasphemy, right?).
Anyway, just wondering what the deal was? I've had good luck. You may not have. Now it's your time to jive.
Steve
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I'm kind of neutral on Cold Steel's stuff. Their older stuff, outsourced to Japan, contained various objects of lust. Nowadays, their mainstream line seems to have gone downhill. I played with a few of their Ultralock folders - three, to be exact. Two had massive amounts of play, and the other opened with this horrible gritty feeling and noise (!).
The other thing, I guess, is that they'll do all these crazy things with their knives on video, then turn around and say "if you do these things, that's abuse and isn't covered under warranty." They only cover "normal" use, and to hell with the car doors and hoods. So much for backing it up.
As for coming and staying sharper than other brands, I have to say your experience is far removed from mine (and quite likely from other forumites'). At their best, they match the out of box sharpness of, say, Benchmade. I've never seen one that was as sharp as, never mind sharper than, a Spyderco.
Lots of people like their Carbon V (whatever that is now) blades for outdoor work and other utility tasks. Their new high-end line looks cool, and I did play with the Black Talon, which was well-done in most respects. The lock tore up my thumb, though. Literally. I mean, I'm not Paul Bunyan, and I don't swing an axe for a living and consider blisters and calloused skin a sign of proper living, but I'm not a girly man who uses Jergens and moisturizes every morning. I mean, that thing tore the outermost layer of my thumb off. That sh*t hurt, man. I was peeling little flakes of skin off all day.
*Ahem*
If they can get the quality I saw in that knife to trickle down, and make the lock a bit easier to open, that'd be really cool. The only problem here: They've managed to match BM/Spyderco/Kershaw quality, but they've far surpassed the other manufacturer's prices. San Mai steel aside, the new high end lines are pretty much right in line with the mainstream offerings from the other major manufacturers. I usually don't gripe about prices, but $300 + for what these knives offer is just really egregious.
Oh well, if you're still reading, I hope this has illuminated the other side of the Cold Steel river for you. Sorry for the ramble, it's almost 4 AM here...
The other thing, I guess, is that they'll do all these crazy things with their knives on video, then turn around and say "if you do these things, that's abuse and isn't covered under warranty." They only cover "normal" use, and to hell with the car doors and hoods. So much for backing it up.
As for coming and staying sharper than other brands, I have to say your experience is far removed from mine (and quite likely from other forumites'). At their best, they match the out of box sharpness of, say, Benchmade. I've never seen one that was as sharp as, never mind sharper than, a Spyderco.
Lots of people like their Carbon V (whatever that is now) blades for outdoor work and other utility tasks. Their new high-end line looks cool, and I did play with the Black Talon, which was well-done in most respects. The lock tore up my thumb, though. Literally. I mean, I'm not Paul Bunyan, and I don't swing an axe for a living and consider blisters and calloused skin a sign of proper living, but I'm not a girly man who uses Jergens and moisturizes every morning. I mean, that thing tore the outermost layer of my thumb off. That sh*t hurt, man. I was peeling little flakes of skin off all day.
*Ahem*
If they can get the quality I saw in that knife to trickle down, and make the lock a bit easier to open, that'd be really cool. The only problem here: They've managed to match BM/Spyderco/Kershaw quality, but they've far surpassed the other manufacturer's prices. San Mai steel aside, the new high end lines are pretty much right in line with the mainstream offerings from the other major manufacturers. I usually don't gripe about prices, but $300 + for what these knives offer is just really egregious.
Oh well, if you're still reading, I hope this has illuminated the other side of the Cold Steel river for you. Sorry for the ramble, it's almost 4 AM here...
the videos are only good for laughs imho, the warranty on CS is kinda "iffy" suprising for a product so highly hyped, while CS is "ok" its imho mostly an entry level product, most of it really wouldnt be for an advanced collector/user, CS is imho certainly not up to par with BM/spyderco, its more like CRKT, all in all just too much hype and BS imho.
not to mention the owner.........
not to mention the owner.........
The problem with Cold Steel IMO is that they prefer to put money in marketing then in manufacturing process. Advertisement instead of production developement. I don't like it.
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Although I don't care what Lynn Thompson says I prefer to listen to Sal Glesser
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Although I don't care what Lynn Thompson says I prefer to listen to Sal Glesser
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i have yet to buy 1 cold steel knife as sharp or sharper than any sdydie ive bought
I Have Not Seen The "proof" Videos.i Do Own A Heavy Machette And A Srk And I Am Happy With Them .they Do What I Want Them To When Out In The Woods.i Would Eventually Like To Get The Carbon V Trailmaster Bowie.so As Far As Product Satisfaction Is Concerned I'm Happy,as For The Politics/hype/advertising Or What You Want To Call It. I Don't Know So Will Not Comment.