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Cold steel Great sword breaking on tosh.0
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Haha, I thought I was the only one who saw that connection
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I have the CS Great Sword and I've never once been tempted to chop firewood with it. Maybe if I did, mine would fly apart just like the one in the video. Possibly all CS Great Swords would fly apart if abused enough. So what?
Beating the hell out of a sword ,ment for cutting soft targets ,and being surprised when it breaks after extensive abuse, is like putting a 1000 lbs of bagged cement in a Porsche and then complaining when the shocks give out.
Beating the hell out of a sword ,ment for cutting soft targets ,and being surprised when it breaks after extensive abuse, is like putting a 1000 lbs of bagged cement in a Porsche and then complaining when the shocks give out.
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I might agree if it were the blade that failed, but it was the blade/handle junction that gave way here. That shouldn't have happened.
Those were two VERY lucky camera guys.
Beating the hell out of a blade that was marketed for beating the hell out of everything seems to be just right. It broke doing something just as extreme as the CS vids show. Dont be a fanboy.
To quote one of the mods on CS Forum:
There is no "design flaw" that caused the sword to come out of the handle- it was operator error, pure and simple.
That sword was abused from the outset. What sort of stuff was done to that sword that we did not see on the video? Splitting logs? Seriously? What do you think is going to happen to the sword?
Note that when he was smashing things around his office, no one was wearing any sort of safety gear- not even safety glasses. What kind of idiot smashes a coffee maker (all glass, plastic, and electronics) and does not even wear safety glasses?
During the sequence where he chops the kid on the alter, you can clearly see that the pommel is missing. Was it removed? Did it break? We do not know, but that is a huge safety hazard. Even though that sequence was obviously staged, why would you waive around almost 7 pounds of sharpened steel that can fly out of the handle because a part is missing.
I actually like the show, and I think Daniel Tosh is hilarious, but the gross abuse and complete lack of safety precautions with something as potentially dangerous as a 2-handed great sword is not at all funny.
I happen to agree with the mod. This sword was not only abused, but did you look at all the bystanders around Tosh as he swung and hurled the sword? Moronic.
And what happened to the pommel? Break? Unscrew? Removed intentionally? No one knows, so why don't we leave supposition behind and look at a few facts:
1- He does not know how to swing the sword.
2- All swings were for the "cheap seats" with no control or understanding of how to care for the sword or bystanders.
3- No, CS vids do not show them chopping great big logs with that sword- CUZ U DON'T DO THAT WITH A SWORD!
4- What was done to the sword that we did not see?
I know that the haters are just going to eat this up, but I do not see this as a failure of the sword (again, did he take the time and effort to examine his weapon after abusing it to insure that the f'in pommel had not come loose?), but rather a really poor example common sense and a total lack of respect for what that big mother can do.
There is no "design flaw" that caused the sword to come out of the handle- it was operator error, pure and simple.
That sword was abused from the outset. What sort of stuff was done to that sword that we did not see on the video? Splitting logs? Seriously? What do you think is going to happen to the sword?
Note that when he was smashing things around his office, no one was wearing any sort of safety gear- not even safety glasses. What kind of idiot smashes a coffee maker (all glass, plastic, and electronics) and does not even wear safety glasses?
During the sequence where he chops the kid on the alter, you can clearly see that the pommel is missing. Was it removed? Did it break? We do not know, but that is a huge safety hazard. Even though that sequence was obviously staged, why would you waive around almost 7 pounds of sharpened steel that can fly out of the handle because a part is missing.
I actually like the show, and I think Daniel Tosh is hilarious, but the gross abuse and complete lack of safety precautions with something as potentially dangerous as a 2-handed great sword is not at all funny.
I happen to agree with the mod. This sword was not only abused, but did you look at all the bystanders around Tosh as he swung and hurled the sword? Moronic.
And what happened to the pommel? Break? Unscrew? Removed intentionally? No one knows, so why don't we leave supposition behind and look at a few facts:
1- He does not know how to swing the sword.
2- All swings were for the "cheap seats" with no control or understanding of how to care for the sword or bystanders.
3- No, CS vids do not show them chopping great big logs with that sword- CUZ U DON'T DO THAT WITH A SWORD!
4- What was done to the sword that we did not see?
I know that the haters are just going to eat this up, but I do not see this as a failure of the sword (again, did he take the time and effort to examine his weapon after abusing it to insure that the f'in pommel had not come loose?), but rather a really poor example common sense and a total lack of respect for what that big mother can do.
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DngrRuss1 demolishes your argument Glockmissfire, so I don't have to.
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I wonder how bad this is gonna hurt sales. I'd have been interested in something like that until I seen the video.
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I disagree. If the sword blade broke, that would've been different. Handle coming apart is a design or make flaw, no matter what way CS PR spins it.
And why splitting log is much more abusive than banging the same sword on hard surfaces as CS video shows, at least as far as the handle is concerned?
Considering that in the same CS video not everyone is wearing safety glasses, them complaining about Tosh doing the same is really silly.
Seriously? Which one do you think is more likely, granted the sword eventually fell apart?
Yeah, that's what happens when maker makes too many claims about their products. If he thought the handle WOULD FLY OUT, I am pretty sure he wouldn't do it.
And since when it is news that CS does a lot more in their videos(and we don't see what else happens there) than they let the customers w/o voiding the warranty. Just, not everyone hangs out on cutlery forums.
The way I see it, it was as a minimum a defective sword, at worst, flawed design.
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if the CS Great-sword is constructed similar to many other through-tang swords, then the tang passes through the handle, the end of the tang is then threaded, and the pommel is screwed onto it to hold everything together and serve as a counterweight to balance the blade. it looks to me as if the pommel was removed. Looking at This Video the shiny steel pommel is clearly present at 1:20 if you look at the bottom of the handle. skip ahead to 1:40 and it is miraculously gone. With the pommel removed there would be nothing holding the sword together but friction and some glue, neither of which will withstand the centrifugal force generated by a 7lb blade, much less splitting logs. I'm not a CS fanboy or anything, but I have to side with them on this one. The people in the video either broke off the pommel or removed it and then continued to use the sword, which makes this 100% user error in my opinion.
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I think that with all this talk of chopping meat and popping balloons, folks are losing sight of the true purpose of the Zweihander: chopping fools in half on European battlefields for fun and profit. I mean, that's really what these things are intended for, right?
If a sword falls apart while chopping wood, how can ANY respectable Dopplesoldner be expected to carry it onto a battlefield when he could very well end up facing the likes of Swiss pikemen or Genoese crossbowmen? A true German mercenary would be ashamed to have to trust his life on such a shoddy product. The Brotherhood of St. Mark frowns upon you, Cold Steel.
If a sword falls apart while chopping wood, how can ANY respectable Dopplesoldner be expected to carry it onto a battlefield when he could very well end up facing the likes of Swiss pikemen or Genoese crossbowmen? A true German mercenary would be ashamed to have to trust his life on such a shoddy product. The Brotherhood of St. Mark frowns upon you, Cold Steel.
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Tosh did cause one of his staff to bleed from the hairline when he was slingshotting them as they walked into the office (same one where he was smashing stuff with the sword)
It's fairly safe to say that he would have no idea what the purpose of the pommel was, or exactly what it was attached to. Probably thought it was only for show with no structural importance.
It's fairly safe to say that he would have no idea what the purpose of the pommel was, or exactly what it was attached to. Probably thought it was only for show with no structural importance.
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to all you cold steel haters,the blade came out of the handle before it hit ooo it might have touched but not hard it was staged...
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Punisher, the pommel was gone when they filmed the greenscreen scene with the kid. Then Tosh managed to chop through at least one piece of firewood before the handle/tang juncture came completely apart and the force of the swing caused the blade to come out before impact. I wouldn't think that was staged, it was entirely too dangerous.
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well is that not staged he new the knife was not secure......
seemed stupid dangerous to do that....
seemed stupid dangerous to do that....
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I might not be able to see it clearly enough, but it almost looks like the pommel was still on when he chopped the first log. My eyes could be playing tricks on me. Either way this was done purely for entertainment so the possibility that it was staged is definitely there, danger or not.
Anyway that was a great episode. I think the best part was when he knocked the foil out of the fencer's hand.
Anyway that was a great episode. I think the best part was when he knocked the foil out of the fencer's hand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hfLZozBVpM
In the cold steel video he chops through metal pipe onto a solid wood table, stabs and chops concrete, and chops through ice blocks, again onto a solid table, oh and stabs a car. How is chopping wood more abusive, and in the videos the most safety they ever wear is cheap glasses. This is what they advertise, they are totally to blame for a crap product being used stupidly.
In the cold steel video he chops through metal pipe onto a solid wood table, stabs and chops concrete, and chops through ice blocks, again onto a solid table, oh and stabs a car. How is chopping wood more abusive, and in the videos the most safety they ever wear is cheap glasses. This is what they advertise, they are totally to blame for a crap product being used stupidly.
you realize that this show has nothing to do with knives or knife related material right? No one in the real world cares about pommels or screws or glue or the swords intended purpose, just those of us who happen to have this unique interest. No one who watches that show even remembers the name of the brand, so everyone should go ahead and relax. Yes, it was a safety breach, but so are lots of things. there is no point in defending a blade against abuse when the abusers motives were entirely different from what you think they should be.
Regardless, thats why you buy a sebenza
Regardless, thats why you buy a sebenza
Regardless of the pommel missing (which if true debunks the Tosh.0 situation), why are the fanboys claiming that chopping wood is anymore detrimental than what the marketing video shows? Can do one thing but not the other, as long as they are the same? Huh?
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