Cold Steel Sisu

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Does anyone have any thoughts on this knife?

http://www.coldsteel.com/60ss.html

Is Cold Steel's SAN MAI 3 a choice blade steel? Is VG-1 better that VG-10? Is VG-1 even considered to be a super steel?


Any advice rendered will be gratefully appreciated by me. Thanks in advance...:confused:
 
There is absolutely, postively no way on this post-apocalyptic ball of rock and mud that this knife is worth four hundred US dollars.
 
I just chose that link from their site. It's about 200 elsewhere.

Also: What are your thoughts on BG-42 v. S30V blade stee?l
 
I'm not a big steel snob, so I'm not the person to ask. I wouldn't pay 200 USD for it, either. I'd top out around 120 for something like this.
 
You could do so much better for alot less.

The san mai steel from CS is a bit of a farce IMO, I'd avoid that one.
 
Vastly overpriced... you could buy a Kellam for that amount, or a gorgeous custom from any number of makers.
 
I wouldn't buy it. It is overpriced beyond imagination. For a third of that money, you could get a real hand-made custom puukko from Finland. I see no reason to buy that CS thing, ever.
 
Hi, I live in Sweden and have one similar that I found on a local fishing spot, I know several finnish fishers and they do not pay much for the real ones in Finland. For a copy it is overpriced
 
Hi, I live in Sweden and have one similar that I found on a local fishing spot, I know several finnish fishers and they do not pay much for the real ones in Finland. For a copy it is overpriced

Could you provide more information about that original knives? Who's making them?
 
Could you provide more information about that original knives? Who's making them?

That knife style is more commonly called a puukko, but for that kind of $$$ why not buy a real one?

This is not a bad starting point:

http://www.kellamknives.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_33

I own one of their hand-forged Tommi T-20s, I'd buy another long before I bought Cold Steel's overpriced junk.

Or, for a $100 version, take a look at the Wild Finn--"Wolverine" production model. Good steel and a proper birch handle.

For a really inexpensive version, look into Mora's.--For 15 bucks or so, you get a knife like Cold Steel's $400 version (plastic handle and laminated blade.)
 
That knife style is more commonly called a puukko, but for that kind of $$$ why not buy a real one?

I know that Sisu is copy of Tapio Wirkkala puukko, but I've thought that these knives haven't been produced since 80's or so. Wilde wrote that "real Sisu knives" are available in Finland, I'm curious who's making them and how to get it... :rolleyes:
 
I know that Sisu is copy of Tapio Wirkkala puukko, but I've thought that these knives haven't been produced since 80's or so. Wilde wrote that "real Sisu knives" are available in Finland, I'm curious who's making them and how to get it... :rolleyes:

No one is making them. They were never made by Tapio Wirkkala, he only designed them. A company called Hackman Cutlery made them. To my knowledge, they only make kitchen cutlery today.

If you really want one, try searching for "Hackman puukko" to see if someone is selling a used one.
 
I know that Sisu is copy of Tapio Wirkkala puukko, but I've thought that these knives haven't been produced since 80's or so. Wilde wrote that "real Sisu knives" are available in Finland, I'm curious who's making them and how to get it... :rolleyes:

It is correct. No-one is producing the Wirkkala puukkos today. Not that this should matter much - the design, while famous, is nothing so special that it would be worth hunting unless for the sake of collecting alone.
 
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Thank you for information. I was only curious, I never said that I want to buy it ;)
 
Thanks for all the responses. Yeah, I was looking for rather a high-end puukko...with possibly a supersteel or D2. Does anyone know who would make that? And would those Kellam knives benefit from a cryo-treat service after purchase?

BTW, The Cold Steel SISU knife in the catalog says it is hand made. Do you think it makes a difference?

And why do so many people here poo-pooh the Cold Steel SAN MAI 3. What exactly is it's drawback? It seems rather flexible on the CS video... Please excuse my ignorance on this matter.
 
The drawback is that it is vastly overpriced for what it is. Spend $200 on a real, Finnish made puukko, it'll be much more worth the money. Look at Kellams, they are very nice.
 
yoopernauts™;5991735 said:
Thanks for all the responses. Yeah, I was looking for rather a high-end puukko...with possibly a supersteel or D2. Does anyone know who would make that? And would those Kellam knives benefit from a cryo-treat service after purchase?

BTW, The Cold Steel SISU knife in the catalog says it is hand made. Do you think it makes a difference?

And why do so many people here poo-pooh the Cold Steel SAN MAI 3. What exactly is it's drawback? It seems rather flexible on the CS video... Please excuse my ignorance on this matter.

As far as the Cold Steel Sisu goes:

First and foremost, it is colossally overpriced. You can get a real (Finnish hand-made) puukko for less money than this copy. Why pay more for a copy?

Also, it only resembles a puukko in basic shape. Traditional puukkos have birch or reindeer handles, not plastic or Micarta (and I do like Micarta.) This is strictly an aesthetic quibble, but Cold Steel is infamous for re-interpreting traditional designs in non-traditional ways. Like putting rubber handles on Japanese Tanto knives....

The whole point of laminated blades (like San Mai 3) is that you can use a super hardened steel for the core that would be too brittle to make the whole blade out of. Laminates are usually more $$$, but have better performance than a knife made out of a softer version of the "core" steel.

Cold Steel however, doesn't make the center steel harder than other, similar non-laminated knives, so again, why pay through the nose for it?

Lastly, hand-made can make a difference. For puukkos, (besides having a proper handle) higher end hand made ones are usually differentially tempered (hard edge, soft back) out of a single piece of steel. There are very few factory knives with a differential temper---Although the Kellam-Wild Finn -Wolverine Puukko I referred to in post #11 has one.
 
Yeah, I was looking for rather a high-end puukko...with possibly a supersteel or D2. Does anyone know who would make that? And would those Kellam knives benefit from a cryo-treat service after purchase?

Why? Real handforged puukos and Sammi knives already are fashioned to survive in the Arctic. Arctic weather can drop to -90 degrees Fahrenheit.

What more do you need? What do you think a knife made by someone not living daily in those conditions can improve upon?

Buy something from Kellam Knives, or Ragweed Forge. You will get a better made, higher-quality "high end" knife for your money.

You want high-end Scandi?
 
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