Cold Steel Statement

I don't think he has a patent on the concept of a "crock stick" sharpener. I may be wrong. But, they've been around for a long time. If he did have a patent, it's long expired.

He may have had or still have a patent on the additional rods to protect the hand.

A patent expires in 17 years (maybe extensible to 21 and a good patent lawyer can wring a few more years out of the system by delays).

My guess is that Spyderco does have a trademark on "Sharpmaker," and you can basically keep a trademark forever.

I don't know the details of this case. If CS is misusing one of Spyderco's trademarks, then I would encourage Spyderco to persue legal action. In a case like this appears to be, it wouldn't be difficult.

It is possible that Spyderco licensed CS to use the design and/or trademark.

Let's get some facts before we make wild accusations. I know that it's more fun to sling the mud and ask questions later, but if you were the one being accused, I'm sure that you would appreciate it if people would try to at least stick to facts.
 
Of COURSE its from Spyderco. MANY companies recommend/endorse related products. CS also sells the Lansky CS Dogbone crock stick sharpener- because its related to CS and they can make money off it.

DO you really think Spyderco (and Sal Glesser) would allow CS to sell a fabrication with the Spyderco Brand name?

Retail 101:

Spyderco makes sharpeners. They only sell them at profit. It probably costs $35 for Spyderco to make the 204 Sharpmahker (the current model). They can sell it (wholesale) to anyone, at, say $40 and make a profit. And of course anyone can then resell it at $45, $50, $55 to consumers! Its called capitalism.

Hands up- who thinks Mr. Glesser would allow this sort of copyright infringement?

Badguy- its a Spyderco Sharpmaker.
(just over-priced!)

Cheers
 
I could be wrong, maybe it is the Spyderco sharpmaker. But it says nothing about Spyderco whats so ever. Here is a scan of the ad:

Looks like it to me!!!

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Hands up- who thinks Mr. Glesser would allow this sort of copyright infringement?
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I don't know, They had a Civilian clone that was in the works but got scraped before it came into full production. There is also the American Tomahawk issue. So I wouldn't doubt if they would just throw one out there.



Badguy- its a Spyderco Sharpmaker.
(just over-priced!)
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OK, I thought so. I was just curious as the base looks somewhat different, I guess its the angle.
 
This thread is dumb. But I am dumber for sitting here reading it all. I'm even dumberer for adding to it. Can't we all just get along? Can't we just start talking about beer?

Ok, here's my plan!

It seems that some people are mad at an insinuation, misinterpereted or not, that LT bad mouthed Strider.

Then others are mad that people are bad mouthing CS & LT.

And still others are mad about the misconceptions.

Some are mad about my obviously superior flatulence.

I say we can work this all out, and the forum can be my happy place again...

SOOOO...

Let's ALL sit back for a predetermined amount of time, say 60 months (if it's long enough for ME to pay for a car, then it must be long enough for this), and obtain financial statements from all those companies involved, and see who wins! The only rule is there can be NO BITCHING for the predetermined period. It make skew the numbers. Hell, lets make it ten years. That way there will be no doubt.

This is the only possible solution to this dilemma.

Alright, everyone... Start now. On your mark, get set...GO!
 
Originally posted by Jim Craig
Can't we just start talking about beer?
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Yeah! I'm with you! Can'twe just have a thread on beer, and knives, and how to combine them? Safely? I don't mean safely combine the threads, I mean safely combine beer and knives...


Originally posted by Jim Craig

Some are mad about my obviously superior flatulence.
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Oh, poor misguided soul. How DARE you suggest my flatulence second to anyone's. You have offended my honor, sir! The only way to satisfy me is for us to have a fart-off!

:D
 
I have purchased and used the hell out of several Cold Steel knives (Large Tanto Voyager, Recon 1, Tri-fold spear point, Trail Guide clip point, Night Force, and Scimitar). All are great knives for the price. But I was appaled at the obvious slam against Strider and Emerson in their latest catalog. I'll not spend anymore of my hard-earned money on Mr. Thompsons products. No class whatsoever!
 
I'm all in favor of changing the subject to beer...

but we've got to clear up this flatulence issue first.
 
And as for the Sharpmakers, it depends entirely on the agreement that Mr. Thompson came to with Mr. Glesser. It's entirely possible that the things are actually branded and marked Cold Steel Sharpmaker if that's what Mr. Gleeser and Mr. Thompson agreed to.
 
Actually Chuck, my cargo comments were actually conditional statements, so I do not owe any apology.

However, the one statement I will make is that Lynn's article nneded a few more drafts before being printed, as evidenced by the confusion created. Oh well, there are mor eimportant knife things for me to worry about, like putting the handle on a spear point knife I am making! So off I go to more important matters.
 
However, the one statement I will make is that Lynn's article nneded a few more drafts before being printed, as evidenced by the confusion created.
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This confusion is publicity.
Good or bad, it is publicity.
Free publicity.
It was deliberatly written in a vague manner to leave LT/CS an 'out'

This whole thread and all of the talk about it just plays into his hand
:rolleyes:

Also, I've been to the last few NYC knife shows and let me tell you they are scarier than a High School Lunch Room.
There are the striding blactical guys lined up on one side of the room with those ABS gangsta mofo's on the other. In the middle are the overseas knife makers of possible terrorist origins...
And the butt whoopings in the hotel lobby...oops I mean schoolyard have to be seen to be believed!
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
 
You people sure don't know much knife history.

Spyderco and Cold Steel have had a relationship for many years. The sharpmaker in the Cold Steel catalog is by Spyderco and has been in their catalog for at least 6 years. For obvious reasons Mr. Thompson does not give the manufacturer's name, but in some catalogs it states that it is not their product, but it's the best. In addition, for many years Cold Steel paid Spyderco for the use of the integral clip used for the voyagers. It is the same as used in the Endura. The patent number was on the handle, but again for obvious reasons, Thomspon didn't name the holder of the patent. Coldsteel sold boatloads of these knives with a portion of every sale going to Spyderco. When it comes to the American Tomahawk controversy, Andy Prisco, president of the American Tomahaw indicated that the issue is dead and resolve to his satisfaction. Same with the Cold Steel knife that some call a Spyderco Civilian clone. Glesser indicated that he has good relationship with Thompson and there is no substantive difficulty with the knife.

Thompson never bashed a specific company in this particular article, the readers of his comments have read this into his comments. However, Strider did bash Lynn Thompson. Where is his apology. Lets see a grudge match, in the Pit at the next Blade.
 
Actually Chuck, my cargo comments were actually conditional statements, so I do not owe any apology.
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Oh. I'm sorry. I see: when it's your post, we should analyze it down to the sentence structure. But, when it's Mr. Thompson writing, it's ok for us to change the subject of sentences and add proper nouns that aren't even there. Ok.
 
Due to judicious trading/selling/bartering in my years here at BF's and my tastes in knives (buy quality not quantity) I've never been in the market for a CS product. Having never owned one and having no desire to own one, therefore having no emotional bias, this whole thing boils down to the fact the Thompson owes y'all a paycheck for doing his advertising for him. Cold Steel fills a definite niche in the knife market and the abrasive personality of the owner of the company does nothing but gather attention for the knives. Now it would've been different if CS was presenting a knife that would be in direct competition with a Strider/Emerson/etc. and the same comments were made, but this isn't the case. The man stated his opinion and although I'm sure the many Strider/Emerson/Simonich/etc owners that were "saving up" for a CS product (yeah, right) might have second doubts, overall all of this BS isn't going to make a single bit of difference in peoples buying habits. :yawn:
 
Originally posted by Gollnick
Also helpful would be for others to refrain from jumping immediately to the worst possible interpretation.
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The reason that I jumped to the conclusion that I did was because of past things I have read that were written by Lynn Thompson. He has used negative comments about competitive companies and products in the past in his advertising.

Edited to correct for a spelling error.
 
C'mon chuck, I think you're being a little hars here. Lynn made some blanket statements in his article which are creating a lot of confusion. And in my post I made conditional statements. These are quite different things to say. When you mention painted blades and de rigeur cord wrapped handles, without forther detail, you end up including a whole lot of knife makers. All I wanted to say in my post was that If Lynn didn't meant to criticize everyone who sells or manufactures cord wrapped, two toned knives, or everyone who wears "utilities" that are bloused, then he should be more specific and apologize to those he unfairly included in his criticism. I can't say what Lynn meant in his article, and that's the whole point of my post. If a then b. a, therefore b. But we don't know a, because a is so confusing! We need clarification.
 
You know they used to make a pretty good cheap beer in San Antonio call Pearl.

Oh, and I like my Trail Master.
 
I, personally, have decided to be a high speed operator. That is too cool. Those old "Australian for beer" Fosters commercials were the greatest beer commercials ever, eh?
 
Originally posted by brownshoe
You people sure don't know much knife history.

Spyderco and Cold Steel have had a relationship for many years. When it comes to the American Tomahawk controversy, Andy Prisco, president of the American Tomahaw indicated that the issue is dead and resolve to his satisfaction. Same with the Cold Steel knife that some call a Spyderco Civilian clone. Glesser indicated that he has good relationship with Thompson and there is no substantive difficulty with the knife.
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Hi Brownshoe, thanks for the info. I knew about the link between CS and Spyderco. I also remember that the Sharpmakers were named/recommended by CS in the past.

Can you tell me where I could find any statements by Prisco or Glesser regarding these issues? You could just give me an Idea where to look... I'd like to see them.

Thanks
 
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