Cold Steel tests the Sebenza against their Cold Steel Code 4

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So you think Cold Steel is above tampering with another company's knife? Perhaps a bit of demonstrable history is in order...

I can point to another Cold Steel comparison video, in a specialty closer to my own concerns (as a fan of daggers), where they compared their Tanto point design to a Gerber Mark II: There is no way Cold Steel's blunt Tanto point design will out-penetrate such a narrow pointy dagger as a Gerber Mark II, it simply isn't possible...: Yet the Tanto did go deeper by about 20-30% into the rifle magazine than the Gerber Mark II, for the same weight and height of drop...

I knew this could not be a fair test: When I looked closely at the tip of the tested Gerber Mark II in the video, you could see a good 1/8" of the point was grounded off into a rounded profile...

Gaston
 
Gaston444 said:
I knew this could not be a fair test: When I looked closely at the tip of the tested Gerber Mark II in the video, you could see a good 1/8" of the point was grounded off into a rounded profile...

Gaston
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Largely irrelevant, considering that Tantos and daggers are, basically, for stabbing people, not phone books, or whatever. How you can describe Cold Steel's Tanto point as blunt escapes. Tanto points are great stabbers.
 
Chris and Anne- I want you to know that I have a huge amount of respect for you both and to what you have brought to the knife world.
Thank you.
rolf
 
Sebenza is simple perfection,reliable and precise,brilliantly packed in titanium clothing for real every day usage.Cheers.
 
All a man (or woman) needs, don' tri-ad nuthin. I also have no issue with the tests.
They are all great designs. We just need to get along.
 
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ichor said:
Largely irrelevant, considering that Tantos and daggers are, basically, for stabbing people, not phone books, or whatever. How you can describe Cold Steel's Tanto point as blunt escapes. Tanto points are great stabbers.
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No they are not, but they can still do it, sometimes better than deep bellied edges depending on the material. The worst issue of Tanto points as fighters is they tip-slice very poorly, pushing the material rather than "grabbing" it... The very opposite of what a defensive knife needs if you slash with the tip (the opposite of what the Tanto design is usually touted as doing great!). A pointy dagger tip-slices very well because the lack of belly makes the edge straighter and closer to "hooking" flesh: I would say a lack of edge belly is the defining feature of a real fighting or defensive knife.

The point of the example was that Cold Steel manipulated the test result by literally damaging the comparison knife: Anyone who can find that video will easily be able to verify that for themselves... Even if that was years ago, that kind of track record kind of kills the credibility of any subsequent test...

Gaston
 
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"Good" is a relative term: Compared to a narrow pointy dagger or belly-less pointy bowie, or pointy straight edge, a bellied edge or Tanto will always be less "Good"...

Gaston
 
I believe Mr. Reeve wouldn't be concerned about this test at all. He knows what the Sebenza is designed to do, and in those areas he ensures that the knife is designed with the best materials, tolerances, and an attention to detail that is unmatched. The Sebenza meets the expectations of excellence that it was designed to achieve. This past weekend I used my Sebenza 25 to help break out a windshield, as the car I was in overturned. I beat the hell out of the knife to the point where my hand bled under the force of impact, and friction with the handle/jimping. (that glass is hard stuff). Anyway, that is considered abuse yet the knife still preforms perfectly. I wonder how the aluminum would have held up during that as the Seb is just scratched up a little.

I also take great pride in the fact that my knife announces proudly that it is made in the USA. Im in college have little money, yet when I think about it, I contributed to the pay of a hard working American man or woman. You can either drive an Aston Martin or a Hummer. Two very different cars designed with different audiences and different purposes. Overall the Sebenza is a higher quality knife, one that meets its intended purposes much better then anything made by CS.

It's not something you should be proud to own if you can buy it at any mall in America
 
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Lycosa said:
Chris and Anne- I want you to know that I have a huge amount of respect for you both and to what you have brought to the knife world.
Thank you.
rolf
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^^ This.

Also, I would never take a Corvette off roading.
 
Gaston444 said:
So you think Cold Steel is above tampering with another company's knife? Perhaps a bit of demonstrable history is in order...

I can point to another Cold Steel comparison video, in a specialty closer to my own concerns (as a fan of daggers), where they compared their Tanto point design to a Gerber Mark II: There is no way Cold Steel's blunt Tanto point design will out-penetrate such a narrow pointy dagger as a Gerber Mark II, it simply isn't possible...: Yet the Tanto did go deeper by about 20-30% into the rifle magazine than the Gerber Mark II, for the same weight and height of drop...

I knew this could not be a fair test: When I looked closely at the tip of the tested Gerber Mark II in the video, you could see a good 1/8" of the point was grounded off into a rounded profile...

Gaston
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I think these are the videos you are referring to, and I'm not sure I'm seeing what you think you're seeing; or maybe you're not remembering the videos quite correctly?

[video=youtube;bYozOCQM7CI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYozOCQM7CI[/video]
[video=youtube;TpiMUuhZS80]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpiMUuhZS80[/video]
[video=youtube;i_AtApX3468]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_AtApX3468[/video]

Now, it's somewhat difficult to tell due to how grainy the videos are, but maybe you're referring to the left most MKII in the very beginning of the first video when you mention a blunted tip? However, if you watch the videos again (the magazine test for the mkII is the beginning of the second video), you'll notice that he's not using the left most knife, but it appears to be the right most knife with the broken quillon, which is obviously still rather pointy.

For all those who claim foul play, I suppose there's really only one way of knowing for sure: Perform the tests yourselves, and see what you can come up with.
 
If Cold Steel wants to be the "Blendtec" of the knife industry, so be it. They can demo their knives between the Deep Fried Twinkie Stand and the Bearded Lady at the County Fair.
 
sutherland said:
If Cold Steel wants to be the "Blendtec" of the knife industry, so be it. They can demo their knives between the Deep Fried Twinkie Stand and the Bearded Lady at the County Fair.
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+1 on this. That's exactly what they seem like... an Infomercial knife company. Kind of like, "Hey everyone! Look at how great we are compared to these other companies!". I think that's one of the reasons I never bought a CS knife. Their "Marketing" just makes me lose all interest in their products, no matter how good they might be.

And I have HUGE respect for Chris and Anne Reeve as well. I hold them and their company in high regard.
 
ichor said:
Largely irrelevant, considering that Tantos and daggers are, basically, for stabbing people, not phone books, or whatever. How you can describe Cold Steel's Tanto point as blunt escapes. Tanto points are great stabbers.
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Tantos aren't made to stab "phone books, or whatever" just like folders aren't made to be spine whacked. CS spine whack comparison tests are largely irrelevant then too. The only folder I've ever heard of that's actually designed to be spine whacked is whatever overseas made junk CS is putting out there.
 
BoilerUp17 said:
I believe Mr. Reeve wouldn't be concerned about this test at all. He knows what the Sebenza is designed to do, and in those areas he ensures that the knife is designed with the best materials, tolerances, and an attention to detail that is unmatched. The Sebenza meets the expectations of excellence that it was designed to achieve. This past weekend I used my Sebenza 25 to help break out a windshield, as the car I was in overturned. I beat the hell out of the knife to the point where my hand bled under the force of impact, and friction with the handle/jimping. (that glass is hard stuff). Anyway, that is considered abuse yet the knife still preforms perfectly. I wonder how the aluminum would have held up during that as the Seb is just scratched up a little.

I also take great pride in the fact that my knife announces proudly that it is made in the USA. Im in college have little money, yet when I think about it, I contributed to the pay of a hard working American man or woman. You can either drive an Aston Martin or a Hummer. Two very different cars designed with different audiences and different purposes. Overall the Sebenza is a higher quality knife, one that meets its intended purposes much better then anything made by CS.

It's not something you should be proud to own if you can buy it at any mall in America
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My (only) local CRK dealer is a small knife shop in a big mall lol. They're good guys with competitive pricing.

ETA: sorry for the two separate posts, I just figured out how to use the multiple quote/one post feature and of course forgot to use it...
 
dubya3 said:
My (only) local CRK dealer is a small knife shop in a big mall lol. They're good guys with competitive pricing.

ETA: sorry for the two separate posts, I just figured out how to use the multiple quote/one post feature and of course forgot to use it...
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I should have said every mall
 
Never did understand the validity of the "spine beat" test. I would never wack/beat the spine of my CRK under any circumstances . I guess its like opening a car door all the way and then proceeding to push it further and further until it breaks off its hinges?? Why?
 
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