Cold Steel VS Zero Tolerance

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RBid said:
It's why I can acknowledge that the TriAd lock is the clear standard in locks, while also noting that it's irrelevant for practical purposes.
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The absolute strength may be irrelevant, but you forget the fact these things really don't wear out or develop noticeable blade play even with extended hard use.
 
I happen to think the Ultimate Hunter (U-H) is ugly as sin. I also find the tri-ad lock much more cumbersome to operate than any other lock including other traditional lock backs. So this is really just an opinion thing. No doubt the tri-ad lock is a candidate for the toughest lock around but it certainly compromises functionality to be so.

I am looking forward to getting one of the new Recon 1s in spear point but would I take it over my 0560? Nope. They are not comparable. And if you do want to compare them the ZT will win every time for me, though I like both.

And it is a "which one is better" thread if you title it with a vs.
 
stabman said:
They are not winning the blade toughness battle, although that 4-Max knife might up the game, depending on what sort of blade grind they give it.
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Yep... I don't understand why they put a high hollow grind and thin edge on the Recon 1 of all things... :confused:
 
Goosey said:
Yep... I don't understand why they put a high hollow grind and thin edge on the Recon 1 of all things... :confused:
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Yeah, the Recon looks like it could be a good knife to use as hard as you want if they'd gone with a different grind.
 
Indeed, I was pointing out why I buy a CS product. Not what company is better. So, for that yes, the Tri-Ad lock is better for strength and overall hard-use.:thumbup:
 
Goosey said:
The absolute strength may be irrelevant, but you forget the fact these things really don't wear out or develop noticeable blade play even with extended hard use.
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I haven't forgotten. My ZTs aren't having those issues, either. The 0566 has had a busy life, and it's still holding up like it was out of the box... Just with a lot of sharpening :) The pic I posted is an old one.
 
The Lone Gunmen said:
Stabman, you have me saying things I never said on page one.
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Those are direct quotes from your very own posts.
Go back and read what you wrote, if you've forgotten.


The Lone Gunmen said:
I was browsing Cold Steels website and I saw that Andrew Demko and the gang did a little competition with a med Espada VS ZT 0350, and wow the ZT lock up totally failed after what I would say is light force and it didn't take very long. Its strange cause everyone seems to think of ZT folders as "TANKS" and "BEASTS" lol... Thanks again Cold Steel for reminding me why I buy your products!!:thumbup:
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The Lone Gunmen said:
Its not a "which is better" discussion. I just stated what happened on video. I understand people have reasons for buying both brands. I buy CS for the lock up. The liner lock on that ZT was garbage.
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The Tri-Ad lock is overbuilt to the point of being really hard to operate, certainly not a one-handed lock unless you've worn it in and have a strong grip. On the other hand, the AXIS lock on my Adamas took 1600lbs of force in a demo video (official test video by BM, so take it with a grain of salt as well) before they called it 'failed' even though that just meant the lock was digging into the liners to the point that the blade was folding without the lock being disengaged. Yet I can operate the AXIS lock one-handed, one-fingered even, with ease and comfort knowing the unlocked blade won't be swinging towards my fingers when the lock is disengaged.

I don't judge a knife solely by it's lock interface, but instead weigh the pros and cons like any other object I use. All the Cold Steel Tri-Ad folders I've handled have felt overbuilt and under-finished, while all the ZTs and Benchmades have felt well finished and just as usable as the CS knives, with easier locks to use and better blade steels.

Lock-strength does not overcome a lack of usability for me
 
Well why don't we all just drive priuses and wear timex watches? Who needs a bmw, not as efficient!
 
It's gotta be tough if Lynn Thompson or some other goon is going to jump out of a tree through plate glass and chop a ham hock sitting on a flaming cinder black in half
 
And by the way that's a generous comparison for cold steel, they're not even good value IMO. Sh**** steel, sh**** materials, and poor customer service.
 
The Lone Gunmen said:
You quoted me in on post 12 and 18, not my post, if you forgot ....
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That was weird.
I quoted logbow, and it put your name instead.
Oh well, it is now fixed...if you cannot trust forum software, who can you trust, eh?
Certainly makes me even less likely to trust Cold Steel's testing objectivity if I cannot even trust Bladeforums' software! :D
 
I want to know what blade warp is by using a knife. I want to know how CTS XHP is not a superb knife steel? I want to know how someone would not want the strongest locking folder out there. These comments don't make sense to me. I've carried this Hunter for a good month, and I have not sharpened it, not once. I've maintained the edge by stropping it a couple of times and that is is. It has cut fishing line, alot of that, it has opened quite alot of boxes and packages with fishing paraphernalia in them along with the plastic packs spoons come in. It has opened a couple of guitar boxes, cut steak and fowl for eating and cooking etc.etc. it has scraped paint off my bathroom wall and cut hose for my boat motor. Just general stuff you would use a knife for. I am confident enough in this knife to not have to finesse it with hand grip etc.etc. I can grip in a gorilla grip or lightly and not worry about the lock failing. I am also confident enough in my sharpening skills to sharpen it when it does get dull.

Like I said the thread started out as a lock strength thing similar to what CS did with the Spyderco folder that didn't make it to the end. Now its customer service issues, steel issues, grip issues etc.etc. Oh yea ugly issues. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the U-H is a homerun for CS. Superbly made, great lock, and EXCELLENT steel. Someone show me where I am going wrong? Been around knives for along time and frankly I can't thing of a better folder. I can think of prettier folders but none as strong and that is where its at with me. Not an ugly knife neither. keepem sharp

PS apparently you can't be a nancy boy and open and close a triad lock either or you are a nancy boy and you can't manipulate the lock on a triad folder very well beats me
 
I don't get why you'd even want to start a thread like this. You clearly favor cold steel over ZT and noone's going to change your opinion. You're also not changing anybody else's. Just gushing about how much you love that big, strong, rock-hard TRI-AD lock.
 
I will play the Devil’s advocate in this case. I watched the video where the zt350 failed the lock test. As I own this model myself i was greatly concerned over potentially hacking off one of my fingers and I stated communication with ZT directly. What I learned was appalling. The guy doing the test drilled out holes in the lock rendering it nearly useless to stop the blade from closing. What this tells us is there cold steel makes good knives but has bad propaganda. I remain supportive of ZT and cold steel knives as I own them both. I just want honest tests in the future.
 
The Lone Gunmen said:
Indeed, I was pointing out why I buy a CS product. Not what company is better. So, for that yes, the Tri-Ad lock is better for strength and overall hard-use.:thumbup:
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Oh for Scagel's sake. Clearly you think that CS is "better."

The Lone Gunmen said:
... Its strange cause everyone seems to think of ZT folders as "TANKS" and "BEASTS" lol...
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You lol'ed at ZT (or its fans)

You have every right to think CS is "better." No need to be disingenuous about the whole thing.
 
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