Cold Steel VS Zero Tolerance

[Quiet]

I want to know what blade warp is by using a knife. I want to know how CTS XHP is not a superb knife steel? I want to know how someone would not want the strongest locking folder out there. These comments don't make sense to me. I've carried this Hunter for a good month, and I have not sharpened it, not once. I've maintained the edge by stropping it a couple of times and that is is. It has cut fishing line, alot of that, it has opened quite alot of boxes and packages with fishing paraphernalia in them along with the plastic packs spoons come in. It has opened a couple of guitar boxes, cut steak and fowl for eating and cooking etc.etc. it has scraped paint off my bathroom wall and cut hose for my boat motor. Just general stuff you would use a knife for. I am confident enough in this knife to not have to finesse it with hand grip etc.etc. I can grip in a gorilla grip or lightly and not worry about the lock failing. I am also confident enough in my sharpening skills to sharpen it when it does get dull.

Like I said the thread started out as a lock strength thing similar to what CS did with the Spyderco folder that didn't make it to the end. Now its customer service issues, steel issues, grip issues etc.etc. Oh yea ugly issues. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the U-H is a homerun for CS. Superbly made, great lock, and EXCELLENT steel. Someone show me where I am going wrong? Been around knives for along time and frankly I can't thing of a better folder. I can think of prettier folders but none as strong and that is where its at with me. Not an ugly knife neither. keepem sharp

Oh wow, definitely some hard use requiring the almighty Triad lock in order to successfully survive, amirite? No way a ZT knife could have done any of that!

Also? My 0562CF said hello. Enjoy your XHP blade, and I'll enjoy my ACTUALLY superb M390 blade.*

You can't think of a better folder? That's pretty much where you're going wrong, honestly.




*XHP is an alright steel, but not the best by any means, which is the point I'm making.

 

[stabman]

I want to know what blade warp is by using a knife.

I was using it to cut wood, and was using a twisting motion in some instances to get a curve going in a spot I needed a curve.
The XL Espada had worked to chop down the sapling, but I guess the wood was to tough for that ridiculously thin edge (too thin for such a large knife...except as a weapon, which is basically what Cold Steel told me. Weapon, not tool).

So I switched to the ZT 0561, and since it does not have a really thin grind behind the edge, it worked just fine. :thumbup:

 

[stabman]

I started communication with ZT directly. What I learned was appalling. The guy doing the test drilled out holes in the lock rendering it nearly useless to stop the blade from closing. What this tells us is there cold steel makes good knives but has bad propaganda.

All is know is that with every one of these "tests", my next purchase becomes that much closer to 100% NOT being Cold Steel.
I'll keep the knives I have, but they just lose their attraction with the new marketing angle.

 

[a_mano]

Why wouldn't someone want the strongest lock? Cause some people care more about ease and speed of deployment. And some people use folders as folders and fixes as fixes. And some people are annoyed by CSs marketing and avoid the company if possible.

 

[longbow]

Nope can't think of a better made folding lock than the triad lock. Steel is steel if it is heat treated right and with the month of use this knife has been put to I haven't sharpened it but stropped it. Tell me where I am going wrong with that. Amirite I don't know what that is but I don't like the sound of that.

Stabman you bent the blade right? Like rippled the edge twisting it? I might have sent it back considering it was wood. Beats me about use of a knife but I use it everyday and the steel has held up well. So do you like chop through steel etc. etc. with your folders QUIET? Feed me and teach me grasshopper cause a curious mind wants to know where I'm going wrong with my train of thought. Keepem sharp

 

[Whetstone39]

Amirite = am I right

 

[stabman]

Stabman you bent the blade right? Like rippled the edge twisting it? I might have sent it back considering it was wood.

I just used a small brass hammer to straighten it out.
I figure lesson learned on that one; it's still an impressively big knife with a strong lock...it didn't close on my fingers.

I just wish they'd change their new marketing angle, and produce big knives with stouter grinds for those of us who want to use them as woods tools.
I like going and doing stuff in the woods; I never have to fight people with knives, so a big knife is a potential woods tool in my eyes.

 

[asdf12345]

Zero Tolerance will give you features like exotic premium steels, fun-to-flip-and-flick actions, the cachet of LE editions, and little "fit and finish" details.

If you like playing with and showing off your knives, there is nothing wrong with Zero Tolerance.

If you want to buy a knife more suitable for hard use at a more friendly price, then go with Cold Steel.

 

[PURPLEDC]

I want to know what blade warp is by using a knife. I want to know how CTS XHP is not a superb knife steel? I want to know how someone would not want the strongest locking folder out there. These comments don't make sense to me. I've carried this Hunter for a good month, and I have not sharpened it, not once. I've maintained the edge by stropping it a couple of times and that is is. It has cut fishing line, alot of that, it has opened quite alot of boxes and packages with fishing paraphernalia in them along with the plastic packs spoons come in. It has opened a couple of guitar boxes, cut steak and fowl for eating and cooking etc.etc. it has scraped paint off my bathroom wall and cut hose for my boat motor. Just general stuff you would use a knife for. I am confident enough in this knife to not have to finesse it with hand grip etc.etc. I can grip in a gorilla grip or lightly and not worry about the lock failing. I am also confident enough in my sharpening skills to sharpen it when it does get dull.

Like I said the thread started out as a lock strength thing similar to what CS did with the Spyderco folder that didn't make it to the end. Now its customer service issues, steel issues, grip issues etc.etc. Oh yea ugly issues. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think the U-H is a homerun for CS. Superbly made, great lock, and EXCELLENT steel. Someone show me where I am going wrong? Been around knives for along time and frankly I can't thing of a better folder. I can think of prettier folders but none as strong and that is where its at with me. Not an ugly knife neither. keepem sharp

PS apparently you can't be a nancy boy and open and close a triad lock either or you are a nancy boy and you can't manipulate the lock on a triad folder very well beats me

If you like your knife then great have at it. But expecting everyone to fall in line with you based on your needs and wants is just silly. Cold steel doesnt make a knife i like period. Why would i NOT want the strongest lock? Because i dont need a lock period. Its not a necessity. And the features i do like and want cant be fitted to a triad lock. If ultimate lock strength supporting 400 pounds or more is a requirement for you when cutting fishing line (lots of it) and opening boxes and packages more power to you. I will stick with what i like and the only verification i need is the verification i provide myself.

Zero Tolerance will give you features like exotic premium steels, fun-to-flip-and-flick actions, the cachet of LE editions, and little "fit and finish" details.

If you like playing with and showing off your knives, then Zero Tolerance is probably what you want.

If you want to buy a knife more suitable for hard use, then go with Cold Steel.

Lynn?

 

[stabman]

If you like playing with and showing off your knives, then Zero Tolerance is probably what you want.

In my experience, Cold Steel is better for that.

It goes like this: "Zero Tolerance? Never heard of them. You want a good knife, you should buy a Cold Steel."
Cold Steel is the one with the loud marketing, so the average dude on the street is FAR more likely to have heard of them, and be impressed by your knife.

 

[asdf12345]

Why wouldn't someone want the strongest lock? Cause some people care more about ease and speed of deployment.

[video]https://player.vimeo.com/video/122392548[/video]
[video]https://player.vimeo.com/video/122150102[/video]

Blade swings freely when the Triad lock is disengaged.

I know that most Triad locked folders won't do this, but this is just to show that yes, you can have your cake and eat it too. A stronger lock does not necessarily mean a lack of ease of use.

 

[marcinek]

Oh now its getting good.

 

[Paka]

Longbow you say in your earlier post you can't think of a better folding knife, then you switch to "better made folding lock". Cold steel fanboys are unbearable, impossible to reason with them. They only register words like STRONG, LOCK, BAD ASS, LYNN THOMPSON, CHOP PIG.

 

[Cadillac86]

In my experience, Cold Steel is better for that.

It goes like this: "Zero Tolerance? Never heard of them. You want a good knife, you should buy a Cold Steel."
Cold Steel is the one with the loud marketing, so the average dude on the street is FAR more likely to have heard of them, and be impressed by your knife.

Very true. I hadn't heard of ZT until I came here and now it's at the top of my wants list. Cold steel? I've known about them forever.

 

[PURPLEDC]

[video]https://player.vimeo.com/video/122392548[/video]

Blade swings freely when the Triad lock is disengaged.

I know that most folders won't do this, but this is just to show that yes, you can have your cake and eat it too.

Hmmmm lots of blades drop free without the lock engaged. Not sure what your point is. Not sure why you feel that most wont do this. Maybe your knives. Most of mine will do that even with them putting pressure on the blade tang.

 

[asdf12345]

Lynn?

Look, I'm not saying that I have any investment in their products or that I have a desire to see them succeed. Some people want a folder for hard use. That's not what I personally need in a folder, so I don't buy Cold Steel. But you can bet that if I for some reason needed a hard use folder, then it would be Cold Steel and not ZT. On the whole Cold Steel's folders are 20-50% lighter than ZTs with comparable blade lengths and cost about half the price even with the XHP upgrade. I mean, come on.

And if I needed a folder because I wanted to flick it all day and admire fit and finish and my exotic steel, then you can bet it would be ZT and not Cold Steel.

 

[asdf12345]

Hmmmm lots of blade drop free without the lock engaged. Not sure what your point is.

My Emersons sure don't and most of my Microtechs didn't.

When I said "most folders don't do this" I was acknowledging that most Triad locked folders won't drop freely when the lock is disengaged.

I posted that video because the other poster suggested that ease of use was necessarily a trade off for lock strength.

 

[RevDevil]

I'll be waiting for insults to issue plentiful infractions... Go on ahead...

 

[PURPLEDC]

Look, I'm not saying that I have any investment in their products or that I have a desire to see them succeed. Some people want a folder for hard use. That's not what I personally need in a folder, so I don't buy Cold Steel. But you can bet that if I for some reason needed a hard use folder, then it would be Cold Steel and not ZT. On the whole Cold Steel's folders are 20-50% lighter than ZTs with comparable blade lengths and cost about half the price even with the XHP upgrade. I mean, come on.

And if I needed a folder because I wanted to flick it all day and admire fit and finish and my exotic steel, then you can bet it would be ZT and not Cold Steel.

If a light knife with decent steel at an affordable price is what you need then sure cold steel is a great value brand if you can get past the mall ninja marketing. But i just dont see it as a good comparison. The way you are presenting your argument you could literally take any knife company and insert its name where zt is and you would still feel it applies. I still think you are a bit hing up on marketing and take it a bit too literally.

My Emersons sure don't and most of my Microtechs didn't.

When I said "most folders don't do this" I was acknowledging that most Triad locked folders won't drop freely when the lock is disengaged.

I posted that video because the other poster suggested that ease of use was necessarily a trade off for lock strength.

Then id say someone is adjusting their pivot a bit too tight.

 

[longbow]

Yep Purple dude. I like reliable and stout. And for the life of me I don't know what other folks use their folders for? Am I missing something here? I edc it. So I use it everyday where I need to cut something and I want the BEST locking folder money can buy and that is the Triad lock. Plain and simple. Seems to me like your busting my chops for cutting what I cut with it? What do you cut with your knives? Do you pry with them? Do you puncture through doors or door frames or what? I just don't get it. keepem sharp