Cold Steels new stuff put up on the website

rifon2 said:
info on the stainless steel


Thyssen Krupp 1.4116
aka NIROSTA (R) 4116
Code Name X 50 CrMoV 15

.45 to .55 C
14 to 15 Cr
0.5 to 0.8 Mo
0.1 to 0.2 V

ThyssenKrupp Nirosta is a Company
of ThyssenKrupp Steel (Germany)
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Closest on the tables I have is 420 mod without the manganese.

And notice the "Canadian Boat Knife." Wonder is there is a license for this obvious immitation of the Canadian product.

And the one that's "looks like" the Hackman puukko.
 
Alberta Ed said:
Interesting. SK-5 appears to be something like 1080, a simple spring steel. Can anyone offer more information? How does it compare to Carbon V (which I love, incidentally -- great steel)? What's Krupp 4116? Krupp has been making steel a long time; I believe Roselli uses Krupp high carbon steel in its every-day blades, but I can't find much on Krupp's stainless grades.
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Here is a link to a post I made on SK5 steel. The post has a link to a brochure from the company that makes that steel.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4257988#post4257988

It's pretty close to 1085.

While searching I found that it seems to be commonly used for things like gardening clippers and lawn mower blades. Sound pretty tough. Can't say more or give any comparisons. Not really my turf. I just found the brochure from the Japanese company that mkes the stuff.
 
The SRK's are now AUS 8A with a teflon coating. I guess the Navy won't mind using the new stainless version for BUDS students. Seems to be better suited for a tool seeing constant immersion in San Diego bay :)

Dan
 
D R E said:
The SRK's are now AUS 8A with a teflon coating. I guess the Navy won't mind using the new stainless version for BUDS students. Seems to be better suited for a tool seeing constant immersion in San Diego bay :)

Dan
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Sure did! :eek: Did you happen to see the prices on the SRK and Recon Tanto? $114.99 for the SRK now, and with AUS8 no less! I wonder if the Navy can afford the new prices, even though it's a more corrosion resistant steel. I'm guessing CS moved production on those to Seki, Japan. For the kind of money their talking, I sure hope it's Japan and not Taiwan, as some of their AUS8 stuff (Recon 1 & AK-47) is made in Taiwan. Links: http://www.coldsteel.com/38ck.html and http://www.coldsteel.com/13rtk.html

Regards,
3G
 
Maybe Cold Steel will just give them a bunch of the new version to "test" before dropping the price bomb. My ultimate SRK would possess a molded on zytel handle with either stainless/serrations or carbon steel blade options. One version for divers, the other version for a field/combat knife. The ultimate issue blade.

Dan
 
rifon2 said:
info on the stainless steel


Thyssen Krupp 1.4116
aka NIROSTA (R) 4116
Code Name X 50 CrMoV 15

.45 to .55 C
14 to 15 Cr
0.5 to 0.8 Mo
0.1 to 0.2 V

ThyssenKrupp Nirosta is a Company
of ThyssenKrupp Steel (Germany)
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1.4116 was used by Puma for stainless knives including stainless white hunter.
medium carb, quite a lot vanadium and Cr.
Hardens at 55-57 HRC
It lies somewhere between 440B and 440C.

http://www.pumaknives.de/klingenstahl_de.php
 
The Corsican looks like one heck of a weapon but I'm not a big fan of stilettos or daggers that lack a guard of some kind. Not that there is any way I will ever be able to legally carry something like that where I live.
And once again it seems CS is living up to their reputation for producing both quality and junk.
 
Some of the stuff looks pretty good some not so good.
The Natchez bowie appeals to me however I was not at all happy with how the handle is attached to the Laredo Bowie's blade.
If they took the same cheap short cut I will definatly pass esecially given the price.
I e-mailed CS with some questions about how the handle is designed so we will see.


Bors
 
The Canadian Belt knife is almost an exact copy of a knife A.G.Russell has been selling for years. Kind of interesting. I got one of those from A.G. years ago for my father and he went on and on about that D.H. Russell knife. I doubt they are big sellers though. All these new knives look like the ilk that Cold Steel typically makes a while and then discontinues. Something they are quite famous for based on my experiences with them.

What a great way to celebrate the 50 year anniversary of this original design huh? Come out with a cheap stainless junk knife to make some quick sales. Classic CS.

http://www.coldsteel.com/20cbl.html

Here is the one Russell sells.

http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_...sell_original_design_canadian_belt_knife.html
 
It's strange that CS is now bringing a lot of really cheap knives onto the scene, the Canadian Belt knife being an example. Over the last year or so, they were asking absurd, custom knife prices for their new knives ("San Mai III" folders mostly), and now here they come with all of the really low-end stuff (the Natchez Bowie and its ridiculous price excluded of course)?!? I wonder if they're having trouble finding and keeping their place in the market?

I guess the next thing I should expect to see from them is their improved version of the Laguiole, featuring the uber-tough, proprietary "S15V San-Mai IV steel", at an MSRP of $800! Or better yet, their own economy version of the Hinderer XM-18, featuring field-use grade "Slovakian 1.21132 steel", and at a price of $5.99!:eek:

Regards,
3G
 
Take a look at their description of the new Kudu foler: http://www.coldsteel.com/20k.html Notice what the ad copy says:
"In South Africa, an inexpensive ring lock folder is sold everywhere. It’s a good design, but it’s constructed from sub-standard materials, is poorly made, and is horribly overpriced."

They say it makes a good "bait knife", so maybe they should have called it the Cold Steel Master Baiter.:D

Maybe they'll bring back the Twistmaster, to remedy the fact that Opinel makes a insanely expensive, yet very affordable knife.:jerkit:


Regards,
3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
Take a look at their description of the new Kudu foler: http://www.coldsteel.com/20k.html Notice what the ad copy says:
"In South Africa, an inexpensive ring lock folder is sold everywhere. It’s a good design, but it’s constructed from sub-standard materials, is poorly made, and is horribly overpriced."
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I thought that was a curious spiel considering Okapis sell for $10 or less in the US with almost no distribution. Folks have said they cost the equivalent of a couple bucks in places like South Africa and the Caribbean, which doesn't sound terribly overpriced. I have a couple different Okapis and can say that while crude, they are quite functional and the steel is pretty good. It's even concievable that Okapi is making the Kudu for CS, as Thompson seems to have some business ties already in South Africa, and Okapi already manufactures a plastic handled version.

In any even, I'll be buying one at that price, at least out of curiosity. It has to be really bad to not be a decent value (though I guess CS could drop the ball on this one). Anyone jonesing for a large pocketknife could easily get a fix, as CS has much wider distribution in the US than Okapi.
 
Not that I know anything about the current mystery steel, but it would make sense to me that if CS just went ahead and got more known, and consistently reliable steels like VG-10, they would make more money from people who knew about steels. I think they would open up their market a little more and maybe, just maybe help their reputation a little.
 
ignoramus said:
Not that I know anything about the current mystery steel, but it would make sense to me that if CS just went ahead and got more known, and consistently reliable steels like VG-10, they would make more money from people who knew about steels. I think they would open up their market a little more and maybe, just maybe help their reputation a little.
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Sadly, people who know about steels are a minority in the marketplace.

CS has apparently identified their niche market. If they have mis-identified it, perhaps they will provide better stuff. If they are making money there is little to make them change to another target market.
 
knarfeng said:
Sadly, people who know about steels are a minority in the marketplace.

CS has apparently identified their niche market. If they have mis-identified it, perhaps they will provide better stuff. If they are making money there is little to make them change to another target market.
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I figure, if their current market doesn't know about steels, then they wouldn't care if CS "upgraded" their materials. Why not have both markets? I know it might mean that they take a little cut in profits due to the more expensive materials, but with their MSRPs, I think they can afford it with the long term in mind.
 
STR said:
The Canadian Belt knife is almost an exact copy of a knife A.G.Russell has been selling for years.
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http://www.coldsteel.com/20cbl.html

Here is the one Russell sells.

http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_...sell_original_design_canadian_belt_knife.html
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STR,, Herter's sold a knock off of the D. H. Russell / Grohmann #1 years ago. George Herter even claimed he designed the knife. (Sounds alot like Lynn Thompson, no? :rolleyes: ) The rest of the civilised world knows it was actually Deane H. Russell and Rudolph Grohmann.

I can not recall what Herter called his version and I can not find any pix on the web. I do believe they were made for Herter by R. Murphy Knives which is located north west of Boston.
 
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