College blows...

[The cow]

I took his comment to mean that the police in his jurisdiction tend to prey on minorities for whatever reason. Might just be that he's not a punk, Bender, but merely that he's observed multiple instances of such targeted harassment of minorities by law enforcement.

I was a white guy that worked in a black neighborhood for a while. The fuzz stopped me all the time...usually to inquire why I was there and if I could open up my trunk.

 

[Quiet]

I was a white guy that worked in a black neighborhood for a while. The fuzz stopped me all the time...usually to inquire why I was there and if I could open up my trunk.

Well, you stood out. Police are going to hassle those who stand out. Is what it is. Try having a loud muscle car, a guy in a fartbox Civic blows past you, and the cop pulls YOU over because he thinks his radar caught you, and not the guy in the econocan.

Also, I am not here to condone or not condone that behavior, only to share my view on Xialong's comment* that has some other folks ruffled a bit.




*which yes, could have been worded in a better way

 

[XiaolongJackson]

Good thinking but you forgot an ethnicity or two. What in the holy hell are you saying?

Will you please explain the context of "i wouldn't try this if I were black or latino because then the cops would be on it in an instant"

I can't believe I missed this ignorant comment

Honestly, just saying something like that around my part of town would get you in trouble, and not with the cops!
I'm Latino and I EDC without any problems...

Maybe collect some brain cells before you collect another knife, punk...

And just what the hell is this supposed to mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling
Around here (Los Angeles), cops like to harass people of color for no good reason. If you're dark skinned and never had to experience this then that's good for you but I know a lot of friends who've gotten in trouble just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and just happened to be dark skinned. It's not just around here, either. If you're aware of the Stop & Frisk laws in NYC, those laws basically just exist to allow cops to harass whoever they want (ie: people of color).

I was a white guy that worked in a black neighborhood for a while. The fuzz stopped me all the time...usually to inquire why I was there and if I could open up my trunk.

I know a white guy that lives around South Central. The cops stop him every week because they assume he's there for drugs.

 

[grownstar]

I took his comment to mean that the police in his jurisdiction tend to prey on minorities for whatever reason. Might just be that he's not a punk, Bender, but merely that he's observed multiple instances of such targeted harassment of minorities by law enforcement which then would make them the punks, no?

Are you suggesting we all get together and jam some Ice Cube?

ETA: I'm a tattooed Mexican-American and when we're out and about, we get stared at and followed quite a bit. Been pulled over more times than I'd like to admit around here. Yeah, it does suck at times.

 

[jfalkos]

I'm starting college this year. I've read very carefully through the dorm policies and campus policies and as far as I can tell, I just can't carry a weapon. A weapon there is defined as any number of projectiles, or knives with 4" or greater blades. I can carry anything sub 4"!!

 

[The cow]

Well, you stood out. Police are going to hassle those who stand out. Is what it is. Try having a loud muscle car, a guy in a fartbox Civic blows past you, and the cop pulls YOU over because he thinks his radar caught you, and not the guy in the econocan.

Also, I am not here to condone or not condone that behavior, only to share my view on Xialong's comment* that has some other folks ruffled a bit.




*which yes, could have been worded in a better way

Yeah it could have been worded better but what he said was absolutely true in parts of the US. Especially where gang culture exists.

 

[newknif]

I carry my ZT0801 with me on campus. Knives over 2.5" blades aren't allowed but I get around this by not starting/getting into any trouble. The cops see it clipped on my pocket (there's a police station on campus) but they don't say anything about it. Of course, I wouldn't try this if I were black or Latino because then the cops would be on it in an instant.

And what if there was a Puerto Rican Cop on duty? Or a Black Cop? Or Asian?

You and some others are making it sound as if there is only one race of Cops and they target whoever is the minority. You come across as this is a given that everyone should and does understand.

 

[The cow]

And what if there was a Puerto Rican Cop on duty? Or a Black Cop? Or Asian?

You and some others are making it sound as if there is only one race of Cops and they target whoever is the minority. You come across as this is a given that everyone should and does understand.

Hey buddy, read a little bit above and get informed (I'm also sure you already commented once on this) and don't try to add more fuel to the fire because a comment taken out of context because of how it was worded.

 

[Bob6794]

Here is a link to California penal code 626.10 from California's official legislative website- http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=626.10

Down in section c it explains the exceptions. School employees are exempted. As well as students who are carrying a knife at the direction of a faculty member for use in school sponsored activities. In other words, students can't carry whatever they want, they have to receive specific permission to carry a knife for a specific school-related purpose.

There is also an exemption for possessing knives in ones on-campus residence for "lawful use".

CA pc 626.10 doesn't say anything about people visiting a college campus.

Doesn't work that way at my college specifically states that you're pretty much good as long as you keep it under 5in blade and of course no switchblades, dirks, daggers, fixed blades, etc. Says so in the school rules itself.

From reading through your link, you seem to be mixing things up it seems to be applying to fixed blades for that 2 1/2in blade limit in college.

From section (A)(1): "knife having a blade longer than 21/2 inches", "grounds of, or within, any public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or any of grades 1 to 12, inclusive, is guilty of a public offense"

From section (B): "fixed blade longer than 21/2 inches upon the grounds of, or within, any private university, the University of California, the California State University, or the California Community Colleges is guilty of a public offense"

Section (A)(1) and (2) concern grades K-12, not college. It is here where they state 2 1/2in blade limit. Section (B) is where it applies to college which it states that it is a 2 1/2in blade limit for fixed blades. College is less restrictive than K-12. Than the rest goes onto exceptions and a few other things.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=626.10

 

[killgar]

Doesn't always work that way my college specifically states that your pretty much good as long as you keep it under 5in blade and of course no switchblades, dirks, daggers, fixed blades, etc. Says so in the school rules itself. Quite a few of the students carry knives, especially those in the fire and medical programs at the school and quite a few of them are over the 2.5in and it's not like we hide this from the staff. Heck we have had a teacher tell us and expect us to carry knives in the fire program, that teacher even ripped the 2 guys in the class a new one when he found out they didn't carry a knife as he felt they were ill prepared (not a rule for us to carry but a random question to us before telling us to always carry a knife).

From reading through your link, you seem to be mixing things up it seems to be applying to fixed blades.

from section B: "fixed blade longer than 21/2 inches upon the grounds of, or within, any private university, the University of California, the California State University, or the California Community Colleges is guilty of a public offense"

Section (A)(1) and (2) concern grades 1-12, not college. Section (B) is where it applies to college which it states that it is for fixed blades. Than the rest goes onto exceptions and a few other things.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=626.10

You are correct. The blade length limit in CA state law on knives carried on college campuses pertains to fixed-blades and not folders. An oversight on my part. On school property k-12 the 2.5" length limit pertains to all knives.

Clearly that means that it is legal under CA state law to carry a folder of any size on a college campus. Whether or not the university has it's own restrictions is another matter. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Bob6794]

No problem, I made a few more edits since you quoted me to make it more legible without going to the link. And tried to stay on subject more, as I tend to get side tracked a lot. You threw me for a loop when I read this from you and had to read the law a few times as I try to keep within the laws concerning knives as much as possible.

 

[powernoodle]

I say carry into college anything you dang well please. Just leave it in your pocket while you are there.

 

[killgar]

No problem, I made a few more edits since you quoted me to make it more legible without going to the link. And tried to stay on subject more, as I tend to get side tracked a lot. You threw me for a loop when I read this from you and had to read the law a few times as I try to keep within the laws concerning knives as much as possible.

Funny thing is, there's was a thread over in the Knife Laws forum a while ago where I pointed out just what you did (that the state length limit on college campus only applied to fixed-blades and not folders). Heck, sometimes I forget a detail in the law and should re-read it rather than try to post from memory. Getting older, I should know better than to just rely on memory alone .

 

[newknif]

So I recently enrolled in college after being out of school for five years. During this time I became accustomed to having atleast a basic blade with me everywhere I whent. Come to find out the school is a weapons free zone, and I've recently made a concsious effort to be more rule/ law abiding.(my past behaviors were shady at best) So now being the upstanding citizen, I remove my knife before I get out of my car, but its still like pulling teeth. I guess the point of this thread is to see how many of you "strip down" before entering a weapons free zone or do you say screw it and take the chance?

I'd say abide by the rules regardless of race or ethnicity. I don't think someone should circumvent the rules simply because they are a certain race and feel they'll get away with it. But honestly, anyone can carry a pocket knife around as long as it's not seen.

By using the clip on the outside of your pocket you are pretty much advertising that you are indeed carrying a knife.

Hey buddy, cow, what's out of context or on fire that has you telling me what to do?

 

[fetzer85]

It seems like we have a wide variety of opinions ranging from 'better follow the rules' to 'screw the rules'.

All I can say is if you want to be 100% sure that you won't get in trouble...follow the rules. Odds are you could carry a knife that violates school rules and not get caught but it seems like an unnecessary risk to take.

 

[Bob6794]

College is expensive, don't risk being expelled because you like carrying a knife to open packages or whatever you do with it. Carry one of the Victorinox Jetsetters I think their called which don't have a blade to cut up small packages, etc while you're there. If you need more get a pair of scissors and toss them in your backpack, preferably ones that fold up or are enclosed in something so they don't rip a hole in your backpack.

Risk vs Reward is not in your favor in this, so I can't agree with the comments to ignore the school rules. Just find alternative tools that will still get the job done.

 

[brownshoe]

This country was founded on civil disobedience. All you CA folks are willing to break federal law for your pot, but not willing to subversively carry your illegal knife at school. That's a trip!

 

[RedLynx]

As I've said in past similar threads, it largely depends on the attitude of the person. I carried many different knives at college, even some as large as 4" blades. There was never a need to for any "defense" or "security" reasons of course, it was a very safe place. I just like bigger knives and even in university, went for them. Both classmates and teachers were well aware of how non-threatening/violent. I wouldn't necessarily recommend this for anyone, it just happened to work for me. Schools below college are a whole different ball game. One of my professors had a grandson that got in trouble for bringing his very small non locking folder to school. He had no ill intent, it was just how dad and granddad did things and he forgot.

Now, I didn't often take my knife out in front of others, mostly in my dorm room for opening boxes or packages, etc, but very occasionally needed to use it outside the room. It was okay. But again, this was just my personal experience.

I went to quite a liberal university where it typically might have been a problem. People just didn't see me as a threat, or even potential threat.

 

[Sonnydaze]

My grandkid is at Penn State. "Ordinary" folding knives are allowed. No blade-length restriction, but I know he can carry a Paramilitary 2, blade-length of 3.3". He won't need anything else, and has been eyeing my 204P green long enough....

 

[Rasco]

Signs like "No drugs or guns" or "weapon free zone" are the most pointless signs possible.

My grandpa used to use the example of a pointless sign from his day, one that said "No Spitting On The Bus".
Most people don't WANT to spit on the bus, and the people who do, they're not gonna give a damn about a sign, so the sign accomplishes NOTHING.

Weapon free zones signs are the same thing. The only people who are gonna obey the sign are the people nobody is worried about. So it achieves nothing.