College blows...

I tend to tote a little cheap stockman type knife behind my wallet when I'm at school. It tends to get a nice work out depending on what I eat that day. I even had my art teacher tell me to take my knife and strip some wire for her. My buddy carried a 110 one day and the Latin teacher needed a package opened so, push came to shove and he pulled out a 3.75" blade in the middle of class.
 
If I was back in school, I would carry a SAK which I think is perfect. Maybe a Pioneer, Cadet, or a few other low profile ones.
 
Dang both colleges that I went to (Virginia tech and new river community college) don't care, I carried a large sebenza at vt the entire time I was there
 
I'd go to a different school. The university I went to allowed firearms. I always had a pistol, knife, pepper spray, baton with me. I could even open carry if I wanted to. I never did, but unless your school is providing armed security at every door, they are stripping your right to protect yourself. I wouldn't support them.
 
Knives would be the last thing on my mind if I was still going to college. If you're getting your panties all in a bunch because you can't carry a large knife on a college campus, it might be time to re-evaluate. :D
 
killgar said:
Sometimes in life, to get what you want (like a college education) you have to compromise on your personal desires (like carrying a knife). And it's no different in the adult world of having a job. Many workplaces don't allow knives. And if you ignore the "stupid rules" at your job, you get fired. And good luck getting another job when perspective employers find out that you were fired for violating the company's weapons policy.
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I have almost the opposite viewpoint as killgar. I value myself too much to allow somebody else to tell me how to live my life. If I encounter a business or institution that finds it acceptable to infringe on my rights in order to create a false sense of security for somebody else I simply don't frequent that place. If a company tells me that I can't carry "weapons" to work I simply don't take that job. To me, it's a good indication that that institution or company is not going to be a good fit for me anyways. This hasn't prevented me from attending college or staying gainfully employed. Last week I was onsite with a client and he asked me what kind of gun I was carrying. I told him and he asked me if he could hold it. He told me he was looking to get one and then ran into the back room and came out holding his grandfather's shotgun, which he wanted to show me and get my opinion on. I didn't have to fear for losing my job when I was "discovered" because of the choices I made when I was looking for work. I also don't have to live in such a way as to make myself uncomfortable just for the benefit of other people's comfort.

I'm not saying it's the easiest thing to do. It's far easier to say that you have to capitulate in order to "be an adult" or live "in the adult world". I had to pass up what seemed like good opportunities because I knew that long term I wouldn't be happy. This seems like the far more adult thing to do in my mind. The question is whether carrying a knife is worth the effort it would take to find a place that accepts you for who and what you are. I wouldn't suggest carrying a knife where they're prohibited. I'd suggest finding a school that respects you a little bit more.
 
Cory Hess; With young people today, it is all about "happiness" and they expect others (employers, institutions, and governments) to accomadate them. Some are very special and can make the demand and get away with it, but that is not the case for the majority. Not saying that this is the case with you; it is just a general comment on what many feel is "their due" with regard to rights and privileges in the USA.

I have also passed up what I believed to be good opportunities because of firearm restrictions or simply not wanting to live in a really large city where I knew I would not be satisfied for very long. We make our choices and sometimes the choices are made for us in one way or another. Tis life.

Not everyone has the option or choice to attend any college they want to. Many attend junior colleges that are less expensive generally. It is either attend this school or don't attend at all. Most people don't research knife or firearm policies before accepting the invitation to attend a college or university. You will note that I said "invitation". Their house and their rules.....
 
22, I'm right there with you. A couple years hiring and managing entry level positions was a real eye opener for me. I had all kinds of 20 somethings that wanted to work 10:00 - 2:00 with no physical labor and make six figures. All with no experience. They had a degree and thought that this gave them a right to dictate to me what their job was going to be. I gave them the same advice, you have to make the choice whether or not this makes you unhappy enough to warrant the effort of finding something else. I've had to send a couple of them down that path when they didn't want to make the decision themselves. For me personally, the line is when somebody starts worrying about what's in my pockets. I carry everything concealed. 99% of the time nobody would ever know I have a knife or a gun on me. I got "caught" last week because I was climbing around under a desk and my shirt rode up a bit.

My decisions have led me down a path that meant that I had to take jobs that others might have found less desirable. I have had my share of 4:00 AM wake ups as well as getting home well past midnight. I've also worked over 24 hours straight more times than I'd like to count. To me it was worth it, and eventually I had enough experience to land a job where that wasn't necessary any more. Like I said, it wasn't the easier choice, but it was the one that made me happier in the long run.

The point I was trying to make is that I wouldn't try to skirt the rules in order to have my cake and eat it too. I'd find a place where I can live with the rules. Me having to worry about what's in my pockets on any given day isn't a rule I would live with. It is their house and their rules, but there are plenty of other houses. It might take time and effort, and might even mean that you can't attend college until you get your ducks in a row and have more choices, but in the long run I think it's worth it. Now, that might mean that you spend a couple years working long hard hours in the mean time.
 
Ya ya... Come take it.
Just look at how well "weapon free zones" have worked out... They have become the targets for all the mass killings by the criminally insane.
 
Cory Hess said:
I have almost the opposite viewpoint as killgar. I value myself too much to allow somebody else to tell me how to live my life.
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I don't know what thread you were reading, but nowhere did I say anything about allowing anyone to tell someone else how to live there life. We live in a reasonably free country, and people are free to make personal choices. Are you suggesting that people who follow rules or laws that they disagree with don't "value" themselves?

Just as I said in the statement you quoted- "Sometimes in life, to get what you want, you have to compromise on your personal desires". Is this an untrue statement? Have you never in your life compromised on your personal desires to get something you wanted? Do you ever fly on a plane? They don't allow knives or guns on planes. Of course, you have a choice never to fly anywhere if you don't like the airlines telling you what you can or cannot do.

What state do you live in? I ask because I'm curious to know what gun and knife laws you are required to follow. What company do you work for? I'm curious to know what company allows their employees to carry a gun on the job. I live in California, I am self-employed, and I can carry any legal knife I want on the job (10" fixed-blade).

Perhaps you want to believe that you are living a life of perfect and unhindered freedom, but the fact is, being a law abiding citizen means that we often have to do things we don't want to do (like pay taxes, pay vehicle registration, etc, etc), and sometimes we can't do things that we do want to do. Either a person does whatever they want in disregard of the law, or they are allowing others to tell them what they can and cannot do.

There's no such thing in this country as unhindered freedom, or absolute freedom of choice. You can choose not to take a job, or attend a specific school, or patronize a particular business, but unless you want to risk a trip to jail, you have to follow the law and do what other people tell you to do, even if you don't want to. I value my freedom too much to allow my personal desires to get me sent to jail.

A lot of people live in places where the law prevents them from doing things they want to do. Not everyone has the choice, or the inclination, to move to a place that allows them to carry a gun or the knife of their choice. Some people have families to think about, a spouse with a job, kids in school, work commitments, a mortgage to pay, roots in the community, etc, etc. Not everyone can just move to a new state anytime they want to satisfy their personal desire to carry a gun or the knife of their choice. I value the happiness and well-being of my family too much to jeopardize them for my own personal interests.
 
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Killgar's posts make so much sense, it's really kind of disgusting.

:D
 
killgar said:
If you're agreeing with me Quiet, then I must be right. :D
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Oh we can argue when I feel that I'm right (or I'm just being an ass), but you DO have a good way of make your point in a calm, precise manner. I appreciate it, and enjoy reading it*. :thumbup:




*Unless it's directed at me, then it's SCREW YOU PAL, I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! LOL
 
Quiet said:
Oh we can argue when I feel that I'm right (or I'm just being an ass), but you DO have a good way of make your point in a calm, precise manner. I appreciate it, and enjoy reading it*. :thumbup:
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Thanks, I appreciate that. I've noticed the same about your posts, and that I agree with you more than I disagree with you.

And in case you haven't noticed, I can be an ass sometimes too.




*Unless it's directed at me, then it's SCREW YOU PAL, I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG! LOL
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Well naturally. That goes without saying. :D
 
killgar, I don't disagree with anything you just posted. I really don't see where you read anywhere in my post that he should do anything that risks jail time or break the law. I just have the opposite advice in this case. You suggest that he has to follow the rules to go to this school. I suggest that he find a school that doesn't have these rules. He might have mitigating circumstances that prevent this. I have no idea. He asked for opinions and mine is that if it's important enough to him to think about breaking the rules he should move on to a different college.

I live in Wisconsin, have a CCL and work for a small family owned company. Therefore, I am allowed to carry any weapon that isn't an auto open knife in a concealed manner. I have no auto open knives so this isn't an issue for me. I can't really think of a law that I don't want to follow. If there were laws that I didn't want to follow and they were important enough that I was thinking of breaking them I'd probably move to somewhere where those laws didn't exist, but that's just how I choose to live my life. (I don't have any problem with paying my share of taxes and fees) I understand that where you live there are many laws that restrict freedoms that I take for granted. I'd love to get into a debate about choosing where to live based on those laws, but this isn't the place for that. I really hope I haven't offended you by stating that I disagree with your point of view.
 
No, college does not blow.... The girls there on the other hand.....

Yes I did carry a knife in college, but it was the very least of my concerns, if you catch my drift.
 
I carried a knife too. It was probably a slipjoint at that time in my life. I really never heard of any policy on knives where I went to school. I wasn't interested enough to even inquire.

As far as knives as weapons go, I don't consider a knife a weapon unless it is something like a switchblade. There is no way I would not have a knife in my pocket if I go to a school (elementary or other) function for kids. The rules are for the kids, not the adults. In my state (TN) they recently recinded all knife restrictions thanks to the efforts of the Knife Rights Group and other concerned public citizens. Now the only place I don't carry a knife is where I know for a fact that I can't carry one such as inside a court house that has scanning devices. I was in a court house about a month ago and they did not allow cell phones. Allow a knife... yeah, right. But since I was doing work inside the court house, I carried my tools including a cell phone, knives, and so forth inside that court house. But I was escorted.

I think that we pretty much all agree and would not knowingly break the law. Notice I said "law", not rules. I generally go with the out of sight out of mind point of view when it comes to stupid rules. I have had to walk back to my vehicle more than once because I had a knife in my pocket when trying to enter a court house. Not having a knife on me is uncommon and it's easy to forget.
 
Cory Hess said:
killgar, I don't disagree with anything you just posted. I really don't see where you read anywhere in my post that he should do anything that risks jail time or break the law. I just have the opposite advice in this case. You suggest that he has to follow the rules to go to this school. I suggest that he find a school that doesn't have these rules. He might have mitigating circumstances that prevent this. I have no idea. He asked for opinions and mine is that if it's important enough to him to think about breaking the rules he should move on to a different college.

I live in Wisconsin, have a CCL and work for a small family owned company. Therefore, I am allowed to carry any weapon that isn't an auto open knife in a concealed manner. I have no auto open knives so this isn't an issue for me. I can't really think of a law that I don't want to follow. If there were laws that I didn't want to follow and they were important enough that I was thinking of breaking them I'd probably move to somewhere where those laws didn't exist, but that's just how I choose to live my life. (I don't have any problem with paying my share of taxes and fees) I understand that where you live there are many laws that restrict freedoms that I take for granted. I'd love to get into a debate about choosing where to live based on those laws, but this isn't the place for that. I really hope I haven't offended you by stating that I disagree with your point of view.
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Communication on an internet forum is often imperfect, all we have to interpret what someone is saying are the words they post. The first two sentences of your first post (the ones I quoted) are what caught my eye and influenced my interpretation of the rest of your post. If my interpretation was inaccurate, I'll chalk that up to the imperfection of internet communication. All I can go by is what I read.

Your last post gives me a clearer view of your position. And I don't disagree with anything in it.

And anyone familiar with my posting habits can attest to the fact that I certainly don't get offended by people disagreeing with my point of view. Quite the contrary, I welcome any challenge of my opinions. As long as a disagreement is respectful and intelligent, I can (and have) debate a subject for several pages.

Good talking with you. :)
 
I carried a knife everyday in college and almost all my friends did the same. We really didn't consider it a big deal. It was just what we were used to.
 
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