Comeandtakeit welches ........AGAIN...........AND AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I wish I would have seen his thread before I sent money and did a deal with him for a knife I purchased:


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1122996-comeandtakeit-is-a-Welcher



How can a guy like this keep having bad deals on here and is allowed to sell here. How hard can it be for a dude to make a and complete simple transaction? we had a deal and he refunded the money and I was not happy with that as anyone would be.


here is his sales thread:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1125850-FS-ZT-Hogue-Emerson-Microtech-Kershaw

Basically I sent him the money on an Emerson knife he listed as LINB.. Which means "LIKE NEW IN BOX". Which also means closed deal. Money exchanged hands. He sends pic of worn pivot. I ask questions and we agree that he send back $10 for misrepresentation. Done deal again and I was happy. But no, he refunded without permission after all that.

Long story short bought a knife from him that was supposed to be LNIB (it was advertisd as such with no picture on the ad-I bought it anyway). . He sends me a blurry pic and it shows it has the black worn off the pivot screw. So I ask him about it (this was after I sent him the funds) then he agrees to refund me $10. (*SEE EMAIL regarding this below) back because of the pivot being worn when it should have been LNIB. Okay that was fine with me. So I am a happy camper.


So I wait and no $10 refund comes in. I ask him to send it please and to use gift if he can since it is a refund. I don't hear anything back. Now this is after he send TWO (2) emails to me confirming he will send me $10 back!

Instead of the $10 I get a full refund for the full price ( $150). I thought whoa he didn't know how to do the refund. so I send him the full amount again less the $10. ($140) Then I get an email from Paypal and I see he refunded that ..

AGAIN no email from him explaining anything and that he decided to refund the whole amount.. NADA nothing, no communication.

So what he did was after I sent funds and he states I "complained" about the pivot being worn . Reminder this was an ad that said it was supposed to be LIKE NEW IN BOX!!!!!

So what he did instead was he sold the knife to someone else that paid him the $10 bucks extra and just refunded the money and thought that was okay to do.

I asked him why he offerered the $10 discount and changed his mind after I sent funds and made an agreement (* see email below where is says that) , and he said I complained and he did not want to have to take the knife back because of my "complaining"...........................................WHAT???:eek: He misrepresented a knife and I we agreed that he send $10 back. He didnt even have to as he already had my money in his account. I never said anything about sending a knife back and I never did with anyone. It was just not described accurately and when I saw pics we made a price adjustment.

But this is what I am more pissied about.. He refunded the money without my permission and now my funds are tied up in Paypal for 3-5 business days and I can't but any other knives because it was all I had in there.. besides, I was happy with the new knife I just bought from him.. Now I am screwed for days and he had no permission to refund after we had a deal and money was exchanged.





I come here to relax and have fun. I DON'T COME HERE FOR THIS STRESS ! This is a hobby and I like tomplay with it.

I will just post the email exchanges IN SUCCESSION if he has anything different to say. Otherwise I am out. You have to ask what this guy is doing to piss so many people off an then come here (I read his other thread on here)


his email and mine regarding the $10 refund. There was actually two of these he confirmed but I am only posting one:




"Alright I can do $10. You won't be disappointed. The knife is in really great condition. It would be almost bnib condition if it wasn't for the wear on the pivot.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 12, 2013, at 10:21 PM, bluerosy@comcast.net wrote:


Okay if you send just $10 back..



the problem is I usually don't buy a knife unseen, I got your PM that is was carried,, but still the pivot screw does not wear off from that even if the knife was carried for years. It must have been rubbed off intentionally or ? I don't know.. I own several Emersons and the pivot screw does not just wear off."

Notice in the above email he says it is like BNIB and in the ad he says LNIB. But yet the pivot was worn off black paint...not polished off. But WORN off unevenly. So I had a legit concern it being LNIB and asking about that.
 
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Sorry Colubrid

Nothing new to see here, same old news.....no ethics or self respect
 
When a deal is agreed to, verbally or otherwise and additionally, when funds have been paid.....it's a done deal. One then becomes the new owner of that specific item and the other, the recipient of funds or bartered goods in return for that specific item..............period.

Neither the new owner nor the previous owner have the right to initiate and then put into action, by any means, an 'adjustment' or 'tweaking' of that deal without the others knowledge and subsequent permission.......no matter that a partial or full refund of the asking price was repaid.

That it has happened at all, but more importantly and more telling, on more than one ocassion..................all that one should need to know.

Good luck colubrid.........
 
I read this quick so I may have missed something. So in summary. You wanted to pay him 140$ and he accepted it. Next you get a refund because he, I assume got an offer to pay the full $150. He broke his word for $10.

How do people claim knives are BNIB or LNIB when they have carried them. That to me is used. But YMMV.
 
Originally Posted by comeandtakeit
Originally Posted by colubrid
Hi
I got the pics and I thought the knife was LNIB? I see the pivot screw is worn off the paint?

Isn't it supposed to be black?

Originally Posted by comeandtakeit
Originally Posted by colubrid
If the blade is centered and the lockup is early I will take it.

Can you send a pic of lockup?



Thanks

Oh and your Paypal address please.

Also I am leaving for work so if you don't get back I will fund tomorrow.


Email sent with pics. Lockup and centering are perfect.
Knife has been carried a few times but never cut anything. Other than the wear on the pivot the knife is in new condition.

Corey,

if you don't sell me the knife after you agreed to the $10 because the knife was not as described when I saw the pics I will take it to the proper forum with attached emails.

I don't appreciate you selling it after we had a deal to someone else after you and I agreed. You didn't have to agree in the first place. Instead you just refunded the money and I sent the proper amount.. and now I see a another user edited his post which won't reflect well on your future sales.

Their will be a thread and we can hash it out there if you do not make this right.

Rainer
 
You can threaten me with a thread if you want. It will be a waste of everyone's time. I've been down that road before and I'm not gonna play along or be bullied into selling you a knife. I can sell to whoever I want. I decided it's not worth the hassle after you were still emailing me complaining about the pivot wear. I just choose the first option you originally gave me after you changed your mind and were trying to negotiate the price down after the fact. I refunded you all your money like you wanted. End of story.

Sent from my iPad
 
It's nothing against you I just don't want to deal with the hassle of trying to get a knife back, wasting money on shipping, and refunding if you decided you didn't want it because of the pivot wear after the fact. Just easier this way. We can both go on about our business.
 
I didn't do anything different. I clicked refund just like before. You sent the money to my old PayPal account under my yahoo email the 2nd time and not the correct PayPal address I gave you. So that's prob why PayPal is being stupid. I am not rich either and have not tried to screw you over in any way.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:47 AM, wrote:

Paypal withheld my money you refunded for 3-5 business days and that is money I could have used for something else. I am not rich. Nor am I a bully and I don't appreciated your twisted reasoning.





me, I am out of the money for a few days and cannot purchase any other knives now because my paypal is empty. You had no right to do that.



"It may take 3-5 business days to receive the refund in your PayPal account"



You did not have the permission to refund that money that way. Now I am out of the money and that is pretty much all I had in Paypal.



So you basically screwed me in that way also.



Also I did not "complain " about the pivot wear. I wasn't 'emailing" you like I was harassing you you. You did not post a pic.. All your ad said was LNIB.. That means LIKE NEW IN BOX. Of course it was reasonable I ask about a worn pivot blade AFTER I paid you already.
 
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I made the sale post quick on my phone originally and didn't have time to describe all the knives in detail or post pics. That's why I wrote email for pics and more info. And I sent you detailed pics. I understand you being pissed PayPal is gonna be slow putting your money back in your account but please understand it's not because of anything I did. I'm not looking to argue or fight with you. In fact the whole point of just giving you your money back was to avoid drama.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:01 AM, wrote:

I have purchased probably close to a hundred knives on BF and other forums under the same username. I never sent one back or complained. That is why I like to know what I am getting first. Look at my join date.



Like I already said.. if you had sent or posted comprehensive pics of the knife none of this would have happened..

Or you could have said in the ad that the knife was like new but has this wrong with it or that. That way a person can make an informed decision..



you have to remember NOT all people represent their knives honestly. I have experience with that and I do not know you or have done business with you before. So you expect that if you tell me one thing and then I discover another later I am supposed to trust you or read your mind through telepathy?



Hey I just boufght a CQC-7 mini from a guy on BF and it took him 2 weeks to ship it and sevral more days to get to me. He kept making excuses and said he was away on business and then he said he put the wrong address and it came back and then today I finally received it. So you get all types. I don't know you from Adam. So what did you expect when you put conflicting info?



But as for me. I never retruned a knife . I just like to know upfront what I am getting.. As for us. We had a deal and it was done. Youw ere cheap and decided to sell to sell my knife to another member for $10 buck more. Hope it was worth the hassle for you.





I am just pissed now that the money is gone from my paypal account and I couldn't even pay for another knife if I wanted to. Gotta wait 3-5 days.



So I really don't like that you caused that.
 
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And after you paid you "welched" and demanded a $20 discount or a refund. I gave you your refund. You have nothing to complain about other than Paypal being slow putting your money back in your account which is actually your fault because you didn't send it to the correct Paypal I gave you. Sometimes deals fall thru. You'll find another knife I promise. Just a waste of both of our time to keep rehashing this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:20 AM, wrote:

DUDE! there was no drama. I payed you. Done deal. You welched and sold my knife without notifying me and quit twisting this. I can see already how you plan on dealing with this on the thread I will start on you.
 
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Corey,



You know what , I already sent payment but I think I changed my mind unless the price is lowered. Your ad just said LINB and I see the paint is rubbed off the pivot and I also assumed this was a new version (because it said LNIB) with the standoffs and you does not. it has the old backspacer.



If you could refund the money or paypal back $20 and mail the knife, I would be happy.



Thanks



Rainer
 
zImsKee said:
I read this quick so I may have missed something. So in summary. You wanted to pay him $140 and he accepted it. Next you get a refund because he, I assume got an offer to pay the full $150. He broke his word for $10.

How do people claim knives are BNIB or LNIB when they have carried them. That to me is used. But YMMV.
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Not exactly. I already paid him the $150 on his paypal. He then agreed to give me a refund of $10 because the knife was supposed to be LNIB (see his link for sale ad to confirm) . He replied ON TWO SEPERATE EMAILS he would do this and I thought everything was fine.. Then BING I get a refund for the whole $150 instead of just the $10 which I told him to just send as gift because sending just $10 as refund I didn't think tghat could be done.. Since I thought he had a hard time doing a refund I assumed he wanted me to resend the $140. Which I did. Then he refunds that as well. Then I email him and ask him what is going on and he start telling me he didn't want to send me a knife I would not be happy with because I complained about the worn pivot ect..
Well why didn't he just tell me that that upfront instead of going is cuircles about doing a $10. refund which he didn't have to do in the first place as I already paid him. I did tell him I wanted a refund of sorts and we agreed that $10. would cover the misrepresention of the knives condition..Evidently he found another person who would take the knife as is 9or maybe he didn't describe it-I dunno what he did with the knife. but as anyone can see on the sale thread I was first and he sent me his paypal and I already paid for the knife.


Just weird.
 
This guy is a train wreck folks. He is not posting emails in order and putting them together where he wants to make things appear as he wants.

Make you won decision about him. Buy from him and find out for yourselves.
 
One of the moderators wrote on 11/4 at the end of the last thread on this individual:

"It's the repetitive nature that makes it more of a problem then just passing on a knife. comeandtakeit,
You should read through this thread again and see why this type of behavior bothers people. Maybe take a little break from the exchange too. "

Message not received, more scorched earth.... It is very sad
 
He wanted a refund and I gave him a refund. End of story. This thread is someone butt hurt and venting bc I wouldn't sell to him after he demanded I give him a discount. He "welched" and wanted either $20 off what I was asking or a full refund after the fact. I sent pics and description well before he sent PayPal. I choose to just give him a full refund and avoid the hassle of dealing with him. I briefly considered taking $10 off but ultimately decided just to give him his money back and move on after he was still sending emails complaining about the knife. As a seller it's your right to sell to whoever you want. Icing on the cake were his threats of if I don't sell my knife to him at the discount he was going to create this thread.
 
Corey


It is also your responsibility to list the knife properly and not misrepresent it. It is obvious you misrepresented the condition of the emerson.


You did sell it to the OP after misrepresenting it's condition.

The things you do and choices you make obviously have consequences for others, It is clear that you are in the unique position of not really caring about those consequences.
 
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You really have to sit back and wonder when so many" issues" with multiple people pop up is the problem with ME or with every one else.
Not that hard to figure out for some of us.
 
What part of he sent payment well after I sent detailed pics of the knife don't you understand? I didn't misrepresent anything I sent 4 pics to his email of the knife before he ever sent payment.
 
briefly considered taking $10 off but ultimately decided just to give him his money back and move on after he was still sending emails complaining about the knife
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#1 you sent me TWO (2) emails confirming you would refund $10.

#2 I did not send emails "complaining" as you stated after you agreed to send the $10. All I said was to you after you said "I would like it" and I replied " I hope so". if that is considered complaining after everything well then get a head check. My other emails (which you so conveniently rearranged) was after you already refunded the knife twice. That is when I threatened you with making a post about your actions. Never before that!

#3 It was $10 and not $20. I said you can send $10 instead of $20 because I was being nice. You agree in two emails that was fine.


Bottom line you have problesm with deals. Here is another thread I found on you.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1080045-Would-you-be-suspicious

You seem to get yourself in trouble here and on other knife forums as well. Maybe you should step back and look at that.

in the meantime this is info for others not to be misled. Long story short-Corey, you're incredibly FOS.
 
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