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[Counterfeit] Fallkniven F1, rusted (pics) quickly

Looks phony to me.the grind, the lettering are definitely off. The handle doesn't look kosher either.
On the flipside, there is a lot of volcanic activity in that area and therefore due to sulphur and other gases in the air, acid rain is prevalent. Just the humidity probably has high levels of the stuff. Add improper care with a junk steel and I can definitely see that happening
 
calc said:
Could have been applied by hand. I've slapped a v grind on an F1 before, it doesn't take a ton of work with a DMT C hone or something like it. Likewise I've convexed a v edge, also of a similar steel (VG-1). Not terribly difficult to grind.

No idea if that's the case for OP, but... we'll see once they respond.
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It's the original factory grind. I did not sharped it, until coming home on the Fallkniven stone following the direction on their web site. I was trying to get rust off the edge.
 
eschwebach said:
Even if it is real, VG-10 exposed to salt water, humidity and bug spray and sheathed for 6 days.... It will rust.
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This is true, and when VG-10 does rust, it does so like what is shown in the pictures. I'm always leery of unknown eBay sellers. They do have a convex edge not a v grind as stated. It could very well be a fake or it was resharpened before the OP got it.
 
RevDevil said:
This is true, and when VG-10 does rust, it does so like what is shown in the pictures. I'm always leery of unknown eBay sellers. They do have a convex edge not a v grind as stated. It could very well be a fake or it was resharpened before the OP got it.
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Thanks folks. I just emailed Fallkniven with the photos asking about it's authenticity. I originally emailed them earlier without photos and claimed they are not 100% rust free. That's understood, however my Fallkniven F1 looks like it's been dunked into salt water for over a day.
 
atod said:
Hi Folks,

I purchased the F1 based on the many positive reviews. It's a great knife and I was able to take it with me to Costa Rica for 6 days brand new. We were down in the Osa Peninsula near Panama and the humidity is very very high. The Jungle surrounded much of the area. The knife was taken on a hike into Corcovado National Park and then up the Carate River for many miles. I used it only a few times and it remained mostly sheathed. We ran out of sunblock and I cut down palm leaves to make my girlfriend shoulder shades. Fairly easy task. I cut duct tape. I also batoned a piece of drift wood on the beach that was fairly dry. Stain-less literally means "stain less" which allows for the possibility of stain. Even so, after 6 days I was surprised to see that the finish of the knife rusted in the following condition. Your experiences?

Thanks

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fbk6pagyombfkic/IMG_4637.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3t54hmhs9v5g90r/IMG_4638.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/udwq9bpa72t05ju/IMG_4639.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1xv412agatx5w2z/IMG_4640.JPG?dl=0

*EDIT: Dropbox links because I need to find a direct linking service
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As a long time F1 user I can tell you that your knife is a fake.

The grind is wrong, the plunge line is the wrong angle, and sharpening choil too large.
 
atod said:
I'm fairly certain this is real.
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IMHO nothing about that blade looks genuine - grind is way off from factory, transition from cutting edge to handle is way off in the angle, blade shape and robustness are also lacking…it just doesn't look kosher.
 
atod said:
I'm fairly certain this is real. Detailed pics:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4dbcwfjjp2lpet8/IMG_4882.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ojnkgry5mxoaswr/IMG_4883.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6d2hiiy0mg69iqy/IMG_4881.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ck58oh8xo67z6i7/IMG_4884.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqrgkx25pc0mkci/IMG_4885.JPG?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/glgnbawau9fjc4k/IMG_4886.JPG?dl=0

Thanks again for your help
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Its an obvious fake. Look at pictures of the F1 on Fallkniven's web site and look at the size of the small sharpening choil between the cutting edge and the riccaso. On the real F1 its a small half circle. On yours its a giant cutout.
 
The sheath is also a fake!

Laminated F1's has the outer layers of 420j2, one of the more rust resistant stainless steels.
There's no lamination line on the knife in OP's pic and no convex edge.
The sharpening notch is also a giveaway, that says this knife is a fake.

Regards
Mikael
 
Just curious OP, why did you buy the knife on eBay when there are tons of reputable dealers online who have this knife in stock.......???
 
Although I think our dealers here are your best bet, a couple of tips, as a longtime eBay purchaser:

1. I only purchase from users with a high (99% or above preferably) rating, and that have several thousand ratings
2. I only purchase from sellers who are dedicated knife sellers, that is, they only sell knives and nothing else, and their store is only about knives

These practices have helped me to complete several successful and worry-free eBay transactions.

I have no idea if this was already the case for you and I know it doesn't help you now in hindsight, but next time. There is much to be wary of on eBay, no denying. But if you know what you're looking for and you know what you're looking for is supposed to look like (say that 5 times fast!) it is a decent way to get knives from the secondary market.
 
The lack of lamination lines is obvious to me !.
Near the coast all morning fog will have a good bit of salt. As the sun burns off the fog but only the water,the salt percentage greatly increases !! So it's a big rust percentage problem. Salt in a sheath is another possibility.
I spent time in Padre Island TX studying corrosion and it's a real eye opener !!
Iron particles on the surface is another possible cause.
 
The knife's fake as hell. Good steel seldom rusts in that manner; that is cheap-steel rust and pitting. The two steels of the san mai would show distinct rusting patters.

Why did you buy it in the Alley? Rasco wants to know.... :cool:
 
Thanks everyone. I will wait for the official opinion from Fallkniven, however you folks seem to be in census that this is a FAKE. Wow, people actually knock off knifes?

This is so aggravating because Ebay has no buyer protection after 30 days. Looks like my only recourse to go to Utah and file a small claims suit against Jeff Hughes in Kaysville, UT. Argh!
 
Compare the picture of the knife featured on the eBay site against a picture from the Falkniven site (both pictured in your Ebay post), HUGE difference. The Chinese do pretty good on their knock offs. They have fooled many with fake Spartan Harsey knives.
 
Having looked at the photos (thanks for that) over and over, I have to agree with most
here that the probability of a Counterfeit F1 is VERY high. I have only seen this kind of corosion occuring in such a short time on Carbon Steel blades drenched in saltwater and
unwashed. As Mikael pointed out 420J2, which is used on the outer layers is quite corosion resistant, in fact enough to be used on some dive knives. I also agree with the many other FK owners here that the odd physical inconsistencies stand out. I am afraid you most likely bought one of those Chinese counterfeits that Fallknieven warns about on their website.
 
KenHash said:
Having looked at the photos (thanks for that) over and over, I have to agree with most
here that the probability of a Counterfeit F1 is VERY high. I have only seen this kind of corosion occuring in such a short time on Carbon Steel blades drenched in saltwater and
unwashed. As Mikael pointed out 420J2, which is used on the outer layers is quite corosion resistant, in fact enough to be used on some dive knives. I also agree with the many other FK owners here that the odd physical inconsistencies stand out. I am afraid you most likely bought one of those Chinese counterfeits that Fallknieven warns about on their website.
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Yes, everyone I agree with you 100%. Thank you so much. My blood is boiling. I should have been thinking more during this purchase. There are many reasons why folks use Ebay especially in high sales tax states.

Can anyone recommend a reputable seller and expected price to pay?

Thanks
 
atod said:
Thanks everyone. I will wait for the official opinion from Fallkniven, however you folks seem to be in census that this is a FAKE. Wow, people actually knock off knifes?
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Yes there are fakes/clones/homage knives out there. There is even a thread ongoing right now about the topic.

Fallniven has a page on their site about the fake F1. Check it out and compare your knife.

Earlier you asked about the logo wearing off. It took me 3 years of hard useage to wear off mine. And I know mine is legit.

Sorry you wound up with a fake.
 
As far as a reputable dealer is concerned - I have been consistently impressed by the care and service at New Graham Knives. They are simply on top of it. (I hope that is kosher for me to say :P )
 
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