COUNTERFEITS removed from "Persian" edc blades?

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8steve88 said:
If you want to try the blade shape with minimum outlay then the Ganzo G712 is about $20 at most Chinese web stores. I have one and it's a great knife. After using it for a couple of days you forget the blade shape and just use it.

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Really promoting direct Benchmade knockoffs? :thumbdn:


There was a member here who did a stab test with an Emerson Persian that you might be interested in.
 
I'd recommend the Ganzo if you're ok with homages.

The Kershaw Asset is a Persian-y style blade that tends to get overlooked a lot. It's not fancy, but it's cheap.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Wow what ? You want to continue the conversation here ?
I'd say it would be wise for you not to do it.
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Nope, I dont want to continue that conversation. But I would like to point out that you regularly speak out against clones yet right here you are admitting to buying them yourself. Thats just a fact of which I have no comment. But I think it needs to be said so everyone can draw their own conclusions.
 
PURPLEDC said:
.But I would like to point out that you regularly speak out against clones yet right here you are admitting to buying them yourself...
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Point out to whom? You're the only one who cares about it... The fact is that I listed pretty much all clones I purchased before, in the closed thread. You obviously didn't read it, but it's interesting to note that you're following my posts. Nice, I have a fan here.
I purchased those for various reasons, one of them was to see for myself if they are of good quality, so when I get to conversation like the one you don't want to continue, to be able to speak from experience.
I also have experience with few top shelf clones and also communicate with people who are buying those just so they can put them side by side with the originals.
This is a different topic, let's not mess up with this thread, i'll give you chance to shine again some day, probably when Kevin John come up with Venom III... :D
 
nick21 said:
Either way it's up to the consumer if they want to get one, that's why I left it up to the OP
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It's also up to personal choice to be a bigot, misogynist, or to wear skinny jeans. It doesn't make it right.:thumbup:
 
To the OP: Sorry I derailed your thread. You have my word this is the last time I post in it.



POCEH KOCEB said:
Point out to whom? You're the only one who cares about it... The fact is that I listed pretty much all clones I purchased before, in the closed thread. You obviously didn't read it, but it's interesting to note that you're following my posts. Nice, I have a fan here.
I purchased those for various reasons, one of them was to see for myself if they are of good quality, so when I get to conversation like the one you don't want to continue, to be able to speak from experience.
I also have experience with few top shelf clones and also communicate with people who are buying those just so they can put them side by side with the originals.
This is a different topic, let's not mess up with this thread, i'll give you chance to shine again some day, probably when Kevin John come up with Venom III... :D
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Well regardless of if you give me the chance to "shine" I wont be addressing you again on any topic. So this you can consider my final send off before you are on my block list. The fact is you are a hypocrite. You can preach all you want about being anti clone but it completely takes the wind out of your sails when you are in this thread not even a day later showing off your clone. It doesnt matter what your reasons for buying them are. Especially considering there was no reason that was acceptable for anyone else. You can preach about a cause you pretend to care about while actually being part of the so called problem if you want to but dont expect anyone to take you seriously.
 
Last post about this, sorry OP for contributing to this derailment but this is just silly

craytab said:
It's also up to personal choice to be a bigot, misogynist, or to wear skinny jeans. It doesn't make it right.:thumbup:
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Right, buying a cheap knock-off is as bad as being a bigot. Okay. :rolleyes:
 
From http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/international-protection/protecting-intellectual-property-rights-ipr

"Since the rights granted by a U.S. patent extend only throughout the territory of the United States and have no effect in a foreign country, an inventor who wishes patent protection in other countries must apply for a patent in each of the other countries or in regional patent offices. Almost every country has its own patent law, and a person desiring a patent in a particular country must make an application for patent in that country, in accordance with the requirements of that country."

If anyone can point me to evidence that Benchmade/McHenry/Williams have protected their AXIS lock patent in China, then I'll feel bad about owning the Ganzo version of the lock. Actually I won't, since it's not my business to police international patent law.
 
nick21 said:
Last post about this, sorry OP for contributing to this derailment but this is just silly



Right, buying a cheap knock-off is as bad as being a bigot. Okay. :rolleyes:
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Well, if that is what you think, fine. My point was that life is all about choices.

Gadfly22 said:
From http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/international-protection/protecting-intellectual-property-rights-ipr

"Since the rights granted by a U.S. patent extend only throughout the territory of the United States and have no effect in a foreign country, an inventor who wishes patent protection in other countries must apply for a patent in each of the other countries or in regional patent offices. Almost every country has its own patent law, and a person desiring a patent in a particular country must make an application for patent in that country, in accordance with the requirements of that country."

If anyone can point me to evidence that Benchmade/McHenry/Williams have protected their AXIS lock patent in China, then I'll feel bad about owning the Ganzo version of the lock. Actually I won't, since it's not my business to police international patent law.
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People often make all sorts of excuses to why they buy counterfeits. Just like you have done here:thumbup:

The op and others reading this thread might not know the the counterfeit being recommended here is a counterfeit. Spend the coin to get a genuine knife.
 
nick21 said:
Feeling like you're trolling us at this point, craytab.
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You can feel however you want. The OP and anyone else who might not be so educated in knives has every right to know when some one recommends a counterfeit. Further, this community has an obligation to point out when some one recommends a counterfeit. Don't like it? Don't recommend counterfeits and/or don't read threads that deal with counterfeits. Otherwise be prepared to here about this sort of thing.
 
craytab said:
You can feel however you want. The OP and anyone else who might not be so educated in knives has every right to know when some one recommends a counterfeit. Further, this community has an obligation to point out when some one recommends a counterfeit. Don't like it? Don't recommend counterfeits and/or don't read threads that deal with counterfeits. Otherwise be prepared to here about this sort of thing.
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More for us then, I suppose.
 
craytab said:
Yup. If you like supporting theft. You go right a head sir. Remember that whole personal choices thing I mentioned earlier? It is clear what your choice is. :thumbup:
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You don't need to be so passive aggressive. If I was, I apologize.
 
craytab said:
Well, if that is what you think, fine. My point was that life is all about choices.



People often make all sorts of excuses to why they buy counterfeits. Just like you have done here:thumbup:

The op and others reading this thread might not know the the counterfeit being recommended here is a counterfeit. Spend the coin to get a genuine knife.
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I'm afraid that you simply don't know what a counterfeit is: a knockoff that uses the trademark of another maker to pass off their product as the product of that other maker. Ganzo markets its knives as Ganzo products; therefore, no matter what else they might be, they simply aren't "counterfeit". And that happens to be true no matter how much you might wish otherwise.

Read the following. It might help:

"Counterfeiting is the practice of manufacturing goods, often of inferior quality, and selling them under a brand name without the brand owner’s authorization. Generally, counterfeit goods are sold under a trademark that is identical to or substantially indistinguishable from the brand owner's trademark for the same goods, without the approval or oversight of the trademark owner. Many well-known brands, spanning various industries, are victims of counterfeiting. Counterfeiting can be distinguished from traditional trademark infringement or passing off, which involves the use of confusingly similar trademarks or service marks on or in association with similar—as opposed to fake—products or services. The manufacturing of counterfeits is most prevalent in developing countries with a strong, inexpensive manufacturing capability, including many nations throughout Asia (such as China and Taiwan), although counterfeit goods are sold around the globe. Counterfeits are manufactured to a lesser degree in developed countries."

From: http://www.inta.org/TrademarkBasics/FactSheets/Pages/Counterfeiting.aspx
 
nick21 said:
You don't need to be so passive aggressive. If I was, I apologize.
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No need to apologize. I believe I am being quite direct. At this point we both know where we both stand on this.

Gadfly22 said:
I'm afraid that you simply don't know what a counterfeit is: a knockoff that uses the trademark of another maker to pass off their product as the product of that other maker. Ganzo markets its knives as Ganzo products; therefore, no matter what else they might be, they simply aren't "counterfeit". And that happens to be true no matter how much you might wish otherwise.

Read the following. It might help:

"Counterfeiting is the practice of manufacturing goods, often of inferior quality, and selling them under a brand name without the brand owner’s authorization. Generally, counterfeit goods are sold under a trademark that is identical to or substantially indistinguishable from the brand owner's trademark for the same goods, without the approval or oversight of the trademark owner. Many well-known brands, spanning various industries, are victims of counterfeiting. Counterfeiting can be distinguished from traditional trademark infringement or passing off, which involves the use of confusingly similar trademarks or service marks on or in association with similar—as opposed to fake—products or services. The manufacturing of counterfeits is most prevalent in developing countries with a strong, inexpensive manufacturing capability, including many nations throughout Asia (such as China and Taiwan), although counterfeit goods are sold around the globe. Counterfeits are manufactured to a lesser degree in developed countries."

From: http://www.inta.org/TrademarkBasics/FactSheets/Pages/Counterfeiting.aspx
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Meh.

I have seen more than a few ads that say they use the Axis lock (a patented mechanism and a trademarked term).

But this doesn't really matter. If you want to continue justifying your support for counterfeits why not PM me. I think this has gotten us off topic enough and I have made my point in that I warned folks that think they are getting a good knife, that they are in fact supporting the counterfeiting industry that hurts this hobby and many others.
 
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