Courthouse Security Too Tight

San Diego, California yesterday gave us an example of why schools enforce zero tolerance policies. I may not like it, and it may not work in reality, but it makes it look like they are doing something to put a stop to the ptoblem and that is what counts, the image and not the reality.

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
 
el cid let me be the first to sign up

a chilverous code (which many here live by)

the carry of a blade

and the assocation with my fellow hoplophiles

sounds like a dream come true
 
Meandering back towards the original topic...
I had jury duty today and had to pass through the metal detector. There was a pile of knives that had been taken off of previous persons sitting on the table. A POS Spydie knock-off and a couple of slip joints. I had my SAK on my keychain, which I had placed in the tray. The deputy looked at and said that SAKs were allright. I didn't stop to point out to her that some of the confiscated slipjoints sitting there had barely longer blades than my SAK. That's where they draw the lines where I live.
David

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NC Custom Knifemakers Guild member
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Zero tolerance would not change the San Diego school shooting. Nor will a no gun sign outside a post office stop a disgruntled employee from entering with an arsonal. Anyone commited to such insanity will not stop at the sign and say, "I guess I can't go in. I guess I can't commit murder today because of the zero tolerance policy." No, their mind is set up.

Instead of zero tolerance, how about following and enforcing existing city or county laws and measure people's behavior accordingly. Isn't that what its all about instead of making up rules which are in excess of the law?

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Ron Andersen
Consumer Services Manager
SOG Specialty Knives, Inc.

Website: www.sogknives.com
Email: ron@sogknives.com

[This message has been edited by Ron@SOG (edited 03-06-2001).]
 
Intention alone defines an object as a tool or a weapon. One can be the other if a man so chooses. No one knows another man's thought. Avoid those who would claim to know your mind. If you cannot live with that counsel, you are a slave to your servants.

I'm not trying to provoke anyone, rather share my thoughts about how far off base we have permitted politicians, and their shameless pandering, to roam. relic
 
While I'm not fond of the Zero Tolerance idea, it isn't a simple situation.

My memory is terrible, but if I recall correctly, in Seattle a few years ago, a judge was killed, and I believe an attorney or two -- I have real trouble getting overly concerned about that -- and at least one spouse at a divorce hearing was taken out. It's odd, but many people who lose a court decision seek unholy vengeance upon the one(s) who in their minds caused this unthinkable result. Most of the Seattle incidents, I believe, happened in the halls, not the courtrooms.

So far as schools are concerned, I would be the first to agree how deplorable it is that common sense couldn't be applied. School administrators are BUSY! THey simply don't have time to take on a never-ending stream of cases requiring decisions, which would arise if they had lists of what was okay and what wasn't. Then again, a tiny plastic toy shouldn't be too difficult to recognize as harmless. The chief value of a simple rule is that it can be understood by everyone, and there is no ambiguity. Even if a knife is brought to school inadvertently, the fact is that it could somehow get to be used violently, whatever the intent of the carrier. I do think that more discretion could be brought to bear on those who are found with banned items, without placing too much strain on the school staffs. But, you have to remember that with decisions comes liability and accountability. Who wants to add that to their already overwhelming responsibilities?

Bugs

 
I'll be darned. I've had to go to court in civies 2 times in my life. The first time, I walked in to the courthouse through a back door that was open due to construction. There were no "No weapons" signs posted. I had a couple of pocket knives and a .45 on. As I was leaving, I had to go out through the front doors and noticed the metal detector and Deputy.

A couple of weeks ago here in Texas, I went to court and there were NO metal detectors or anything to walk through. I went in with about 4 knives on me. Didn't think twice about it until I went to cut a string and remembered where I was.
 
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