Covert open carry Large Tactical Folder, Neck Knife of Fixed Blade.

[palerider777]

i feel for ya bud, i really do. considering spring, fall, and winter clothing, im not sure how anyone would expect a folder to be visible AT ALL TIMES.

idk, i think id either move lol, or just bite the bullet and look at the smaller Emersons, maybe a mini CQC7. i know that isn't the answer youre looking for, but it seems the law has made things very complicated for you all. i carry knives on my belt during deer season, and i know they are hidden the majority of the time by a coat.

best of luck, i hope you find something that makes ya happy.

Oh I have strongly consider moving back to Alabama but the wife and I have made too many friends and I am too attached to the place I worship at to leave.

I have put a bug in the ear of Knife Rights as well a contacting me state senator and delegate(rep) too see if we can change this for the better (I crack me up) BTW you may want to check out the "Knife Rights' Knife Owners' Protection Act Re-Introduced in Congress - Act Now!" if you haven't already post. . And yea its pretty messed up when you can carry a Glock with a several round mags easier than you can carry a knife, designed to fit in you pocket, in my pocket! I think heck may just trap on my .45 SA and my CS R1 (which are both legal in open carry) and go town and not worry about what the locals think at this point! ... To be more practical I am alternating carrying my CRKT Convergence and Boker+ CBL Hyper for now but as I said in other post, I carried a LTF or LF for nearly 40+ years legally so kind like losing friend or part of you body at this point.

 

[palerider777]

This is one of the most horrifically entertaining threads I can remember.

Seriously? Can't just get by with 3.24" blade? Really?

Then get a custom holster and a flaming yellow t-shirt that says, "Hey, look at my big knife."

"Mellow-drama is so much fun" -billy joel

You know if it wasn't for people like you I could carry my knife in my pocket where GOD intended a folding pocket knife to be carried! May be this will help you out if you even know or care who this is "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."- Benjamin Franklin.

Serve your Politically Correct empire well thrall and kept bowing and kowtowing to you emperor and maybe just maybe he will keep you alive to breath and eat another day! As for me I am a free born, free man and a law abiding citizen of the United States of America thus I don't recognize or bow to your authority to question or tell me what I should own. Now go back in your hole and feed on some more of that Nanny State mind control stuff.

Over the top yep! but when you ask a knife community for a list of equipment options and 80% of what you get this PC dribble or babblers how want to babble on about there opinions that has nothing do with the post ... its time to go there. Enjoy well thralls I know its the only way you can get stimulation.

 

[palerider777]

I think you're looking in the right direction with the CRKT Otanashi Noh Ken for your intended use, Pale. I was pleasantly surprised by mine: decent materials, excellent fit & finish, very smooth, great design. It's a bargain for the price, imo. If you do get one and flip the pocket clip to hang off the outside of your pocket, at least you'll have that deep carry clip pressing against a nice quality/decently grippy G-10 for a little extra retention. Just note that in spite of the knife's sleek lines and thin design, it weighs over 6oz which might be a bit heavy for lighter pants/slacks.

In a similar compact package, the only other knife I can think of is an Emerson A-100 but it's almost double the budget, has a much thicker handle and a shorter blade at 3.6". You could check out a Cold Steel Hold Out 2 which is on budget and now available in Carpenter CTS XHP steel. I think the Hold Out looks aggressive, but perhaps some custom scales would help.

Kind of a long shot suggestion, but if you reckon a 3.75" blade would suffice, the Spyderco Chokwe might be an idea. It's certainly not designed to be a martial blade, but I think it would be enough to get an attacker to back off if you absolutely had to use it as a weapon (I don't know squat about knife-fighting, so take this suggestion for what it's worth.) The Chokwe looks a lot more gentlemanly, imo, and offers a lot of utility (wicked slicer!) It's been disco'd but they're still around for under $150.

*ETA: comparison photos of the CRKT Otanashi Noh Ken and Spyderco Chokwe

Hope this helps some

-Brett

I most certainly does ...Thanks for actually reading and responding with intelligent information. God bless sir! I will check this out!

 

[RedLynx]

This is one of the most horrifically entertaining threads I can remember.

Seriously? Can't just get by with 3.24" blade? Really?

Then get a custom holster and a flaming yellow t-shirt that says, "Hey, look at my big knife."

"Mellow-drama is so much fun" -billy joel

I like at least 3.5" blades. 3.75 or 4.0 are my favorites though. I sometimes go for something around 3.3 if I really like the knife, but that's rare. I think there has been some confusion in this thread, but it's a legitimate question. Your post kinda reminds me of the newbies that come on here just to ask us why we carry knives at all, to be honest. They'd be happier if we used letter openers or nail clippers. Or nothing.

 

[palerider777]

I like at least 3.5" blades. 3.75 or 4.0 are my favorites though. I sometimes go for something around 3.3 if I really like the knife, but that's rare. I think there has been some confusion in this thread, but it's a legitimate question. Your post kinda reminds me of the newbies that come on here just to ask us why we carry knives at all, to be honest. They'd be happier if we used letter openers or nail clippers. Or nothing.

Oh your being way to kind .... I have just lost patients<sp> with the PC "I will tell you what you need" junk! I would say they is a troll, in the internet sense of the word but how knows maybe in real life too but I digress, but 80% of the responses I have gotten here are just about like this ... nothing to do with the topic, a whole lot of people talking just to hear there own voice instead of listing knife options.

BTW agree with you comment on lengths ... One poster have suggest a CS XL or XXL folder .. Rajah II for a covert open carry knife! I can't tell if they where serious or just trying to make a point but I think someone might notice that ... not saying he can't carry it but if I was going there I would strap on my CS R1 and go to town, which still would be legal.

 

[RedLynx]

Oh your being way to kind .... I have just lost patients<sp> with the PC "I will tell you what you need" junk! I would say they is a troll, in the internet sense of the word but how knows maybe in real life too but I digress, but 80% of the responses I have gotten here are just about like this ... nothing to do with the topic, a whole lot of people talking just to hear there own voice instead of listing knife options.

BTW agree with you comment on lengths ... One poster have suggest a CS XL or XXL folder .. Rajah II for a covert open carry knife! I can't tell if they where serious or just trying to make a point but I think someone might notice that ... not saying he can't carry it but if I was going there I would strap on my CS R1 and go to town, which still would be legal.

I try not to put labels on anyone in forums, especially here where we are mostly good guys. Pinnah probably is too and I generally enjoy his posts. I just generally call people out when they say "this is good enough for me so it should be for you too." He might not have even meant it to sound that way, who knows.

I know I've already offered suggestions and I might have missed this in your OP, but I don't fully understand what you mean by "covert open carry" to be honest. To me covert and open are the opposite of each other... could you explain a bit more what you mean by this?

 

[killgar]

Palerider777

In all friendliness, maybe you need to take a step back and relax a bit. This is a PUBLIC forum. That means as long as people don't break the forum rules that they are free to post whatever they want. There's no "political correctness" going on here, and there's no reason to insult people by suggesting that they don't value freedom or that they are bowing to some emperor simply because they aren't telling you what you want to hear.

It's not like you are paying for this thread space. If you don't like what people post you are completely free to ignore them.

Perhaps some of the posters here (like myself) are a little confused by your request for recommendations. You say you want a "tactical" folder, but not a large "tactical" folder, you specified a blade length of 3.25", you want a knife that doesn't look like a knife, you want to carry "covert" but in plain sight, you say you want a knife with a blade of 3.25" because that's the law, but then you seem to be asking "I'm not a criminal, why do I have to follow the law".

So you see, perhaps some of the people who are posting here are a little confused about exactly what you want.

And as far as people posting "just to hear their own voice", like I said, this is a PUBLIC forum, people will do that. It's a common occurrence on this site and most people just roll with it.

 

[Noswad0208]

Look I have spent over several hours responding to questions and post, like this one, that has nothing to do with the post and if someone had taken the time to read the posts would have been answered. I not looking for personal opinions about what I should and should not carry here, I am looking for options that meet the criteria of what is legal and what I want to carry, which was stated in the original post ... I had 7 year of opinions which the best that came to was not to carry a knife at all in VA!

And btw the statement is not true ... When I see someone bee-bopping through Walmart in Richmond proper,not some rural location, with a six inch hunter swing off his side you better bet I am keep an eye on what his body language is! Just like the kid open carrying a Glock in McDonalds ... Legal yes ... draws attention like iron filings to a magnet ... you bet! I have seen other reaction as well. So no that is not true.

Again the title of this is Covert open carry ... a six inch, or four inch or even less knife that profiles that obviously is not what I am looking for, if it was again I would strap on my CS R1 and call it a day.

Thanks for you input .... It did a lot to let me know what options are out there. :thumbup:

I read your post, but it appeared to be asking for recommendations (isn't that another word for opinion, though?)

If you don't want any personal opinions, Bladeforums isn't the place for you.

And you're very welcome for my input.

 

[palerider777]

I try not to put labels on anyone in forums, especially here where we are mostly good guys. Pinnah probably is too and I generally enjoy his posts. I just generally call people out when they say "this is good enough for me so it should be for you too." He might not have even meant it to sound that way, who knows.

I know I've already offered suggestions and I might have missed this in your OP, but I don't fully understand what you mean by "covert open carry" to be honest. To me covert and open are the opposite of each other... could you explain a bit more what you mean by this?

No problem .... Open carry is the knife in "plain view" it cannot be covered by clothing. There are many in VA the carry there folder clip outside the pants pocket. Moving for from Alabama that was eyebrow raising because we carried LTF in our pocket. Now what do I mean by convert open carry. I have already ID crkt otanashi noh ken as one. If you carry it 420J side to the public. With its thin profile overtravel disc and LAWKS "switch" doesn't profile instantly like knife in my opinion. I would pick it up maybe but the average grocery store clerks going to look at that and go is that and go "is roto cutter, measuring device?" rather than go "That's a LTF!" TimberWeasel has one and seems to agree. Especially compared to my CS Scimitar. Fine for in the pocket carry, sticks out like a sore thumb! So what I asked for is for alternatives . Maybe I missed something or maybe that the best option.

Sorry for flaming ... After 7 Years of misinformation that cause me not EDC a knife in VA. A month of taking to state senators, reps, 3 desk officers where I live, all of which had a different version range from "Any locking knife is illegal and cannot be carried in pocket" which is not true to "any folder is legal in pocket" which may be true for the County I live in but not Richmond, to "Its officers discretion" which while true is not legal. To coming BF to see I could rally some support to get something changed that makes sense only to be hit with some less that helpful "advice" before some told me about Knife Rights and finally getting some usable information. I am just not in the mood to listen to "you don't need" and "you should carry a tactical folder" crap. Again sorry for the attitude but having to justify myself over and over with little to no usable info just was "more strain that he could bear" (Doc Holiday) I not just here but our culture has morphed almost over night form the "Land of the free and Home of the brave" to the "wastelands of thralls and the prison cell of the cowardly". To quote Tom Petty "I won't back down" any more.

 

[pinnah]

You know if it wasn't for people like you I could carry my knife in my pocket where GOD intended a folding pocket knife to be carried! May be this will help you out if you even know or care who this is "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."- Benjamin Franklin.

Serve your Politically Correct empire well thrall and kept bowing and kowtowing to you emperor and maybe just maybe he will keep you alive to breath and eat another day! As for me I am a free born, free man and a law abiding citizen of the United States of America thus I don't recognize or bow to your authority to question or tell me what I should own. Now go back in your hole and feed on some more of that Nanny State mind control stuff.

Be honest. You got a rush when you typed that, didn't you?

You know, I suspect that 90% of your post is just motivated so you can rant about laws but if there is one iota of honest inquiry here about actual knives, I think your stuck with a core problem as seen here, in this quote from your wall of words...

Since I have moved to VA I have to carry any folder with a blade length of 3.25" in "plain view" or open carry. (See the Knife Laws forum - Commonsense Knife Carry for the Commonwealth for the details) Carrying most Large Tactical folders where it can be seen just screams "Hey look at me, I am carrying a Large Tactical Folder! Please give me unwanted and unneeded attention!" which is not what I want to do. I have been looking for a new LTF the can be "covertly' carried in plain sight.

Here is your core problem. You like big tactical knives but you don't want to attract attention.

Are you nuts? Honestly. Let me underscore a critical word here.... TACTICAL.

The things that makes a tactical knife a tactical knife and not a hunting knife and not a bushcraft knife and not a cooking knife is that it's specifically designed to be better and more efficient at killing people. Hence the term, tactical.

There's just no way in God's green earth that you're going to carry any big knife that you're going to like (tactical) that won't scare people. People aren't stupid. When they see a weapon that is specifically designed to be a weapon and sold as a weapon and carried because it's an effective weapon, they are right to be concerned.

At this point, you have one of two choices. Either just accept that you've chosen to scare your fellow neighbors and deal with the attention you claim to not want or move away from carrying something that declares itself to be a weapon.

In my experience, people tend to accept traditional knives and drop point blades better than tactical or clip point blades.

And if you really, really insist on living by the letter of that onerous 3.25" law that you are living under and if you honestly want to avoid attention, seriously, I think you can adapt to a 3.25" length. Can you describe a single EDC task that NEEDs something bigger?

I like at least 3.5" blades. 3.75 or 4.0 are my favorites though. I sometimes go for something around 3.3 if I really like the knife, but that's rare. I think there has been some confusion in this thread, but it's a legitimate question. Your post kinda reminds me of the newbies that come on here just to ask us why we carry knives at all, to be honest. They'd be happier if we used letter openers or nail clippers. Or nothing.

<shrug>
RedLynx, please know that I too prefer longer blades. I wrote my post with a Buck 110 in my pocket (still there), often carry a Schrade 51OT or a Opinel #9, both with blades out over the 3.5" mark. I also regularly carry those knives in Boston, this despite the fact that Boston as a local ordinance limiting blade lengths to 3".

So, I'm a scofflaw. My experience with such laws is so long as you are being a jerk and going out of your way to attract attention to yourself, especially from the local police, it just is never an issue. And of course, if I want to stay inside the law for some reason, I can carry a Buck 112 or Buck 500 and still have a knife that is more than capable of dealing with anything I'm reasonably going to confront.

I don't think our avenging angel here is really interested in avoiding attention. The term here is "malicious compliance". The letter of the law says he needs to carry in the open and by all that is Holy, he's dead set on doing just that so that he can offend the maximum number of people.

Seriously. If you want to avoid attracting attention and want to live inside of a law that puts a 3.25" limit on a knife - that's a no brainer. Get a legal knife and put it in your pocket. And this talk about a nanny state - please stop. Let's just give claymore mines and RPGs to every Tom, Dick and Dirty Harry wanna be that wants them. Society puts limits on weapons. Just the way it is.

 

[RedLynx]

Interestingly I also have all of the knives you reference (The Schrade, Buck 110, etc) and enjoy them. Although my Schrade is a dickens to open so it doesn't see much carry.

I tend to agree our OP is a bit... over-zealous, but I guess if I lived somewhere where for years the law was confusing to me and I didn't carry any knife at all, I would be too.

What you say about just carrying and not being a jerk holds true in my case too. For the longest time, I didn't know state or local laws regarding what I could carry. I do now, but for years when I first got into the hobby, I just carried whatever. It was never a problem because no one in authority had any reason to make it their problem. I even carried fairly large fixed blades in the city. In truth, most regular people didn't care, I was just not on their threat radar. And I think that is the key, whatever we decide to carry.

If I lived in Chicago (just an example) I would probably sometimes carry a knife over 2.5" in blade length. Not because I want to stick it to the man, but simply because, I truly don't think I'd ever give an authority figure a reason to care.

Be honest. You got a rush when you typed that, didn't you?

You know, I suspect that 90% of your post is just motivated so you can rant about laws but if there is one iota of honest inquiry here about actual knives, I think your stuck with a core problem as seen here, in this quote from your wall of words...




Here is your core problem. You like big tactical knives but you don't want to attract attention.

Are you nuts? Honestly. Let me underscore a critical word here.... TACTICAL.

The things that makes a tactical knife a tactical knife and not a hunting knife and not a bushcraft knife and not a cooking knife is that it's specifically designed to be better and more efficient at killing people. Hence the term, tactical.

There's just no way in God's green earth that you're going to carry any big knife that you're going to like (tactical) that won't scare people. People aren't stupid. When they see a weapon that is specifically designed to be a weapon and sold as a weapon and carried because it's an effective weapon, they are right to be concerned.

At this point, you have one of two choices. Either just accept that you've chosen to scare your fellow neighbors and deal with the attention you claim to not want or move away from carrying something that declares itself to be a weapon.

In my experience, people tend to accept traditional knives and drop point blades better than tactical or clip point blades.

And if you really, really insist on living by the letter of that onerous 3.25" law that you are living under and if you honestly want to avoid attention, seriously, I think you can adapt to a 3.25" length. Can you describe a single EDC task that NEEDs something bigger?




<shrug>
RedLynx, please know that I too prefer longer blades. I wrote my post with a Buck 110 in my pocket (still there), often carry a Schrade 51OT or a Opinel #9, both with blades out over the 3.5" mark. I also regularly carry those knives in Boston, this despite the fact that Boston as a local ordinance limiting blade lengths to 3".

So, I'm a scofflaw. My experience with such laws is so long as you are being a jerk and going out of your way to attract attention to yourself, especially from the local police, it just is never an issue. And of course, if I want to stay inside the law for some reason, I can carry a Buck 112 or Buck 500 and still have a knife that is more than capable of dealing with anything I'm reasonably going to confront.

I don't think our avenging angel here is really interested in avoiding attention. The term here is "malicious compliance". The letter of the law says he needs to carry in the open and by all that is Holy, he's dead set on doing just that so that he can offend the maximum number of people.

Seriously. If you want to avoid attracting attention and want to live inside of a law that puts a 3.25" limit on a knife - that's a no brainer. Get a legal knife and put it in your pocket. And this talk about a nanny state - please stop. Let's just give claymore mines and RPGs to every Tom, Dick and Dirty Harry wanna be that wants them. Society puts limits on weapons. Just the way it is.

 

[AreBeeBee]

...What you say about just carrying and not being a jerk holds true in my case too. For the longest time, I didn't know state or local laws regarding what I could carry. I do now, but for years when I first got into the hobby, I just carried whatever. It was never a problem because no one in authority had any reason to make it their problem.... I truly don't think I'd ever give an authority figure a reason to care.

Agree completely. Hold a low profile, be unnoticable, be the gray guy who slips by in the background, don't call attention to yourself. I see it as a knifely variant on TR's speaking softly and carrying a big stick.

I always carry one knife and usually two. One of them will have a blade bigger than 3.25" and it may also lock. But I make a point choosing carefully when I haul out any of the cutlery and which item I openly use. If I ever found myself in a sticky situation and needed to use a knife for defense — this has never, ever been even close to happening in 50+ years — yes, then I'd use what I have and deal with whatever aftermath occurs.

But why anyone would want to display what they're carrying is beyond me.

 

[palerider777]

Be honest. You got a rush when you typed that, didn't you?

You know, I suspect that 90% of your post is just motivated so you can rant about laws but if there is one iota of honest inquiry here about actual knives, I think your stuck with a core problem as seen here, in this quote from your wall of words...




Here is your core problem. You like big tactical knives but you don't want to attract attention.

Are you nuts? Honestly. Let me underscore a critical word here.... TACTICAL.

The things that makes a tactical knife a tactical knife and not a hunting knife and not a bushcraft knife and not a cooking knife is that it's specifically designed to be better and more efficient at killing people. Hence the term, tactical.

There's just no way in God's green earth that you're going to carry any big knife that you're going to like (tactical) that won't scare people. People aren't stupid. When they see a weapon that is specifically designed to be a weapon and sold as a weapon and carried because it's an effective weapon, they are right to be concerned.

At this point, you have one of two choices. Either just accept that you've chosen to scare your fellow neighbors and deal with the attention you claim to not want or move away from carrying something that declares itself to be a weapon.

In my experience, people tend to accept traditional knives and drop point blades better than tactical or clip point blades.

And if you really, really insist on living by the letter of that onerous 3.25" law that you are living under and if you honestly want to avoid attention, seriously, I think you can adapt to a 3.25" length. Can you describe a single EDC task that NEEDs something bigger?




<shrug>
RedLynx, please know that I too prefer longer blades. I wrote my post with a Buck 110 in my pocket (still there), often carry a Schrade 51OT or a Opinel #9, both with blades out over the 3.5" mark. I also regularly carry those knives in Boston, this despite the fact that Boston as a local ordinance limiting blade lengths to 3".

So, I'm a scofflaw. My experience with such laws is so long as you are being a jerk and going out of your way to attract attention to yourself, especially from the local police, it just is never an issue. And of course, if I want to stay inside the law for some reason, I can carry a Buck 112 or Buck 500 and still have a knife that is more than capable of dealing with anything I'm reasonably going to confront.

I don't think our avenging angel here is really interested in avoiding attention. The term here is "malicious compliance". The letter of the law says he needs to carry in the open and by all that is Holy, he's dead set on doing just that so that he can offend the maximum number of people.

Seriously. If you want to avoid attracting attention and want to live inside of a law that puts a 3.25" limit on a knife - that's a no brainer. Get a legal knife and put it in your pocket. And this talk about a nanny state - please stop. Let's just give claymore mines and RPGs to every Tom, Dick and Dirty Harry wanna be that wants them. Society puts limits on weapons. Just the way it is.

No I am just annoyed by you and your god complex that you think you can tell me what to own when it legal. Thank you for proving my point! Lets see you want to criminalize my choice and behavior when in fact I try obey the law. Typical of that kind of mindset. Again if it wasn't for people like you that are afraid of law abiding citizens we would not have had the joy of meeting! . No the inquiry was real as I have found one that meets the criteria and have another choice as well. The rant about these insane knife laws in VA where I have to carry my knife in the open when its a pocket knife is on the other post! BTW let me leave you with this tidbit " Internet slang, a troll (/&#712;tro&#650;l/, /&#712;tr&#594;l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.This sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, but have been used more widely. Media attention in recent years has equated trolling with online harassment. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families." Lets see you come on this post, don't give me any information, posted "extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community". Yep that some you up. I going to stop feeding you now.

 

[palerider777]

I read your post, but it appeared to be asking for recommendations (isn't that another word for opinion, though?)

If you don't want any personal opinions, Bladeforums isn't the place for you.

And you're very welcome for my input.

OK let try to explain my level of frustration here: You went to Mexican restaurant because you like Mexican and have a craving for Mexican. You are seated and tell the server that you have a craving for Chille Reno but want to see if he could recommend another dish in that style they started telling you in there opinion that you don't need to eat, in their opinion French food is far better than Mexican and give you a history lesson on why you should be eating French, then tells you need a German car and why or asking you to justify why you like chilles in the first place. What would you say to them? Thank you for you recommendation or state "I did not ask you opinion on if I should eat or whats you favorite French dish nor do I need to justify why I like chilles. ii wanted a recommendation of a dish like Chillie Reno."

So recommendation for a blade (and I have edited the opening post to state LTF or TB) that is an alternative to a crkt otanashi noh ken that doesn't profile as LTF or as knife at all if carried as described in the opening post more that welcome. Opinions stating I should hang a hunting blade on my hip and frequent spots in the meto Richmond area and that not going to draw attention ... not so much. After month worth of work and a open post on Knife carry laws in VA which I stated if you have question please refer to that post because it explains the whys and get questions about it with the poster not going and reading ... not appreciated, not sure around here but most site frown on reposting info under other categories. To me a discussion about Knife Law belong under the Knife Law forum wouldn't you agree?

Now "If you don't want any personal opinions, Bladeforums isn't the place for you" and a guessing I about to be band so lets go for ... You my be right on there brother! Heres some rough stats on how I have been spending my time on this thread: about 80% of the post is someone airing there "opinion" which has nothing to do with the subject, 15% of people talking about alternate way to carry a knife (which is still off subject to OK) and 5% of someone actually reading the post and recommending a blade! BTW thank you again TimberWeasel ! I am an analyst by trade, I can't compare "get a hunting knife" or "i don't know where you got that 3.25 blade stuff" to the control, the crkt otanashi noh ken, so I can see if I need to spend the money or buy something much better. That was the intent of this post ... I am just frustrated that almost from the beginning this was taken for what I intended to an open air chat about "opinions" instead of giving me some hard fact that I can use. Ben Franklin is created with saying "Time is money" well this has not been "money" well spent for me. Thanks

 

[RedLynx]

Agree completely. Hold a low profile, be unnoticable, be the gray guy who slips by in the background, don't call attention to yourself. I see it as a knifely variant on TR's speaking softly and carrying a big stick.

I always carry one knife and usually two. One of them will have a blade bigger than 3.25" and it may also lock. But I make a point choosing carefully when I haul out any of the cutlery and which item I openly use. If I ever found myself in a sticky situation and needed to use a knife for defense — this has never, ever been even close to happening in 50+ years — yes, then I'd use what I have and deal with whatever aftermath occurs.

But why anyone would want to display what they're carrying is beyond me.

Agree. Sometimes I carried a large-ish fixed blade when out and about--but, it wasn't the sort of thing I'd take out to cut my food in a public restaurant or help me open a clamshell in the store or something. I enjoyed carrying such a thing, but I also knew there was a time and place for actually taking it out. And even then, I think a lot is how you act. Sometimes I've taken a fairly big knife out in public to use... didn't get any frightened gasps that I noticed. I think some people act suspiciously... not on purpose, they just use a knife in public and are worried what people will think and that worry shows in their body language. Use with confidence, knowing you're not hurting anyone or doing anything wrong, it goes a long way.

 

[AusLoX]

OK let try to explain my level of frustration here: You went to Mexican restaurant because you like Mexican and have a craving for Mexican. You are seated and tell the server that you have a craving for Chille Reno but want to see if he could recommend another dish in that style they started telling you in there opinion that you don't need to eat, in their opinion French food is far better than Mexican and give you a history lesson on why you should be eating French, then tells you need a German car and why or asking you to justify why you like chilles in the first place. What would you say to them? Thank you for you recommendation or state "I did not ask you opinion on if I should eat or whats you favorite French dish nor do I need to justify why I like chilles.

So recommendation for a blade (and I have edited the opening post to state LTF or TB) that is an alternative to a crkt otanashi noh ken that doesn't profile as LTF or as knife at all if carried as described in the opening post more that welcome. Opinions stating I should hang a hunting blade on my hip and frequent spots in the meto Richmond area and that not going to draw attention ... not so much. After month worth of work and a open post on Knife carry laws in VA which I stated if you have question please refer to that post because it explains the whys and get questions about it with the poster not going and reading ... not appreciated, not sure around here but most site frown on reposting info under other categories. To me a discussion about Knife Law belong under the Knife Law forum wouldn't you agree?

Now "If you don't want any personal opinions, Bladeforums isn't the place for you" and a guessing I about to be band so lets go for ... You my be right on there brother! Heres some rough stats on how I have been spending my time on this thread: about 80% of the post is someone airing there "opinion" which has nothing to do with the subject, 15% of people talking about alternate way to carry a knife (which is still off subject to OK) and 5% of someone actually reading the post and recommending a blade! BTW thank you again TimberWeasel ! I am an analyst by trade, I can't compare "get a hunting knife" or "i don't know where you got that 3.25 blade stuff" to the control, the crkt otanashi noh ken, so I can see if I need to spend the money or buy something much better. That was the intent of this post ... I am just frustrated that almost from the beginning this was taken for what I intended to an open air chat about "opinions" instead of giving me some hard fact that I can use. Ben Franklin is created with saying "Time is money" well this has not been "money" well spent for me. Thanks

With the amount of "time" you spent complaining you could have searched the internet for the right knife by now. You want something done right do it yourself and quit crying about it. With your poor mans budget get yourself a spyderco ambitious, which has a large clip for a smaller knife and wear it on the outside of your pocket. Everyone has tried to help you, but no one here seems to be a doctor. Just because you made the post doesn't mean that the information is only for you. Other people will search this same post looking for information and they may like what the other people have to say...I know I did, and that's why I joined this forum. Don't be so self-centered, we don't work for you boss.

 

[palerider777]

Interestingly I also have all of the knives you reference (The Schrade, Buck 110, etc) and enjoy them. Although my Schrade is a dickens to open so it doesn't see much carry.

I tend to agree our OP is a bit... over-zealous, but I guess if I lived somewhere where for years the law was confusing to me and I didn't carry any knife at all, I would be too.

What you say about just carrying and not being a jerk holds true in my case too. For the longest time, I didn't know state or local laws regarding what I could carry. I do now, but for years when I first got into the hobby, I just carried whatever. It was never a problem because no one in authority had any reason to make it their problem. I even carried fairly large fixed blades in the city. In truth, most regular people didn't care, I was just not on their threat radar. And I think that is the key, whatever we decide to carry.

If I lived in Chicago (just an example) I would probably sometimes carry a knife over 2.5" in blade length. Not because I want to stick it to the man, but simply because, I truly don't think I'd ever give an authority figure a reason to care.

RedLynx,

Glad to know you have never had any issue with a LEO good or bad. I have during a traffic stop. Since I had to explain this on the last thread let me state what that is, the Police set up a road block to check licenses, insurance or drunkeness. I, at the time had a Chrysler 300 that has slight lope (rough idle). Not illegal but the officer put me in the "check this guy out line". When he came to the window he asked if I had a firearm of knife, to which I replied "only my pocket knife" to which he asked me to produce. Since there was nothing else to charge me with he made a large deal out of my knife with threats of arrest. The knife was legal and if I didn't know the law, my rights, was not afraid to state then, and as trained by Police Chief to know what to ask, do, and say if you where in a false arrest situation I would have an arrest record right now instead of a clean one.

 

[RedLynx]

RedLynx,

Glad to know you have never had any issue with a LEO good or bad. I have during a traffic stop. Since I had to explain this on the last thread let me state what that is, the Police set up a road block to check licenses, insurance or drunkeness. I, at the time had a Chrysler 300 that has slight lope (rough idle). Not illegal but the officer put me in the "check this guy out line". When he came to the window he asked if I had a firearm of knife, to which I replied "only my pocket knife" to which he asked me to produce. Since there was nothing else to charge me with he made a large deal out of my knife with threats of arrest. The knife was legal and if I didn't know the law, my rights, was not afraid to state then, and as trained by Police Chief to know what to ask, do, and say if you where in a false arrest situation I would have an arrest record right now instead of a clean one.

I'm sorry to hear that man. It's true, some cops make much ado about nothing, for whatever reason. Knowing your rights (while being respectful of course) is key, it's a good thing you did. I'm of the mind that all respect has to be earned, yours mine and everyone else's, even if one is a cop, but I'm also careful around cops, too, no sense in tempting fate.

 

[RevDevil]

This thread is teetering... Pick your knife, get a clear kydex belt sheath. Maybe consider hanging a Victorinox off your keys with a carabiner. Moving wouldn't be a bad idea ofter 7 years and all. People are trying to help, but with so many conditions, exceptions, "oh and's", it's pretty damn hard to help. I would think it is fair to say the people participating are every bit as frustrated as you are, maybe even more so. Also, last time I checked, a belt sheath for a knife is not considered clothing, then again the folks in Richmond might be on "another level".

 

[palerider777]

With the amount of "time" you spent complaining you could have searched the internet for the right knife by now. You want something done right do it yourself and quit crying about it. With your poor mans budget get yourself a spyderco ambitious, which has a large clip for a smaller knife and wear it on the outside of your pocket. Everyone has tried to help you, but no one here seems to be a doctor. Just because you made the post doesn't mean that the information is only for you. Other people will search this same post looking for information and they may like what the other people have to say...I know I did, and that's why I joined this forum. Don't be so self-centered, we don't work for you boss.

Great advise ... except any one else is going to have to wade though all this adolescent touchy feely crap and things completely off topic, like this, instead of get a list of comparable blades that might work for then or simply being told, nope that the best option.